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If Tressel retired today, who would you want to replace him?

I personally am not sold on Urban Meyer. The guy just supposedly got involved in recruiting violations in Florida,

Are you referring to the contact between Tim Tebow, who had enrolled at Florida in early January, and C.J. Spiller just being NLOID?

This got reported as a possible violation, but Spiller said he had invited Tebow to attend his last home basketball game. Tebow was a good friend of Spiller's, and was the only Gator player who came to the game, so it wasn't a violation. And Spiller committed to Clemson.

Florida reported the visit to the SEC the next day, and I'd say that for this incident, Urban Meyer wasn't involved in anything unseemly. I don't believe that this thing with Spiller and Tebow should be cited to tarnish Meyer's reputation. Are you aware of anything else?

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Remember though that Urban Meyer's Utah teams absolutely pasted their opponents! The "level of competition" and "weak conference" arguments went out the window in 2004 when Utah beat all 12 teams they played by two TDs or more, scored 40+ points in nine of their games, and broke 60 a few times too. Texas A&M and Pitt, with all their warts, weren't pushovers either, especially for a program like Utah.

Utah was goooood. Bowling Green was goooood.

Remember, Zook's Florida teams went 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5, were 0-3 in bowls, and 1-5 against FSU & Miami.

Meyer took over, juggled the square-peg/round-hole talent problem, and promptly went 9-3, won his bowl, and dismantled FSU 34-7. There's no shame in losing to LSU or Alabama either.

Meyer is one hell of a coach.
 
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Remember, Zook's Florida teams went 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5, were 0-3 in bowls, and 1-5 against FSU & Miami.

Meyer took over, juggled the square-peg/round-hole talent problem, and promptly went 9-3, won his bowl, and dismantled FSU 34-7. There's no shame in losing to LSU or Alabama either.

Meyer is one hell of a coach.

Zook was, and is crap. That I won't argue. But Urban has not played Miami. Urban played a week FSU and Tennessee this past year. A friend from Dublin flew down for the FSU/UF game, and it was great to see a 34/7 victory at home, but I don't expect something similar this next year.

Urban got very lucky this year, and even then we lost to South Carolina, and have to host them this year. Zook was very unlucky to get Miami in his years for the first time since the early 80's.

That being said, Urban is one hell of a coach. The NCAA violation story has gone nowhere, and we have a great team looking ahead in years.

I know Tim Tebows brother Peter quite well. His girlfriend is a friend of mine and we hang out regularly and play poker. Peter Tebow is on my flag football team as QB(even though he played LB and other stuff in High Schoo) and I can assure you that if Tim has the talent in running that Peter has, and Tim is also taller(and bigger in general), that UF will be something to watch out for next year when Leak retires and Timmy has some time under his belt.

If we had lost Timmy to Alabama as was expected, Gainesville would have gotten ugly, quickly.
 
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Urban Meyer has 2 out clauses in his contract with UF after I believe 5 years. One is for the head coaching job at Notre Dame, and the other is to go back to where he grew up and coach for OSU.

That is from some contract insider websites that my roomate knows through Husker Power Hour.com

Here are details of his contract obtained via a FOIA request last May. There is no mention of specific schools he can go to, and it specifically states that there is no 'out clause' like his Utah contract had.

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Gators to pay Meyer average of $2 million[/FONT]
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BY DAVID JONES
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Just for 2005</B> Base salary: $225,000
TV, radio: $300,000
Personal appearances: $200,000
Apparel: $500,000
Bonuses: $500,000 signing when hired
Investments: $100,000
Expense account: $60,000
Educational expenses for family: $100,000
Total: $1.985,000
Tickets: 12 complimentary to each home game and a similar block at other games on the road, plus can buy 40 more a game at face value.
Also: Two medium-priced cars, one for the head coach and his wife, with auto insurance.
Complete deal, 3D. </B>
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2005 through 2007 Base salary: $225,000 in 2005; $231,750 in 2006; $238,702 in 2007.
TV, radio: $300,000 each year.
Appearances: $200,000 each year.
Apparel: $500,000 each year from Nike deal with UF.
Bonuses: $500,000 signing bonus in 2005.
Longevity incentives: $250,000 in 2006; $500,000 in 2007.
Investments: $100,000 annually deposited into account of Meyer's choice, but not redeemable unless he stays to 2012.
Expense account: $60,000 each year.
Educational expenses for family: $100,000 each year.
Totals: $1,985,000 in 2005; $1,741,750 in 2006; $1,998,702 in 2007. 2008 through 2010Base salary: $245,863 in 2008; $253,238 in 2009; $260,835 in 2010. TV, radio: $425,000 each year. Appearances: $250,000 each year. Apparel: $500,000 each year from Nike deal with UF. Longevity incentives: $250,000 in 2008; $500,000 in 2009. Investments: $150,000 annually deposited into account of Meyer's choice, but not redeemable unless he stays to 2012. Expense account: $60,000 each year. Educational expenses for family: $100,000 each year. Totals: $1,980,863 in 2008; $2,238,238 in 2009; $1,745,835 in 2010. 2011Base salary: $268,660 TV, radio: $425,000 Appearances: $250,000 Apparel: $500,000 Longevity incentive: $600,000 Investment: $150,000 Expense account: $60,000 Educational expenses for family: $100,000 Total: $2,353,660 Bonuses (every year)Non-BCS bowl: $37,500 BCS bowl: $100,000 BCS national title bowl: $150,000 BCS national title: $250,000 SEC Championship Game: $37,500 Win SEC title: $75,000 AP national coach of year: $50,000 AP SEC coach of year: $25,000 Top 10 finish (AP or USA Today): $50,000
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The new Florida football figures to become very wealthy with his new seven-year contract worth about $2 million annually and signed April 20. The longer he stays, the more he will be rewarded -- capped off by a package worth $2.35 million in 2011, including a $600,000 longevity incentive.
Meyer left Utah with five years left in a deal worth $500,000 per season.
Meyer, who also received a $500,000 signing bonus, will make $1.985 million this year.
The final season is his highest payout, but a clause could allow renegotiation after the 2007 season.
His Florida contract became available Friday through the state's open-records laws and was obtained by FLORIDA TODAY. It includes:

Base salaries ranging from $225,000 this year to $268,660 in 2011 -- the only state money in the deal.

Payments of $500,000 a year through the school's apparel contract with Nike.

Appearance fees totaling $200,000 a year through 2007, then $250,000 a year.

TV and radio deals of $300,000 a year, increasing to $425,000 a year in 2008.

Longevity incentives alternating between $250,000 and $500,000 from 2006-09, then $600,000 in 2011.

Two "medium-priced" cars, one for Meyer and his wife, with auto insurance paid, and an expense account of $60,000 a year ($5,000 a month).

Payments of $100,000 a year for the Meyer family's educational expenses. Meyer's three children range in age from 6 to 14.
Meyer's contract also includes bonues such as $250,000 for winning a national title, $75,000 for winning an SEC title and $50,000 for being named the Associated Press national coach of the year (which he was in 2004 at Utah before leaving for the Gators' program).
Most of the contract, also including $100,000 a year for investments, will be paid by the University Athletic Association.
While UF officials did not comment, Meyer has said that even though he will be one of the nation's highest-paid college coaches, taking the job wasn't about the money.
"It's the best conference in college football," Meyer said during a recent booster stop in Brevard County. "I thought that before I was involved in the SEC, and now that I'm here, there is no question. It's the best players, it's in my opinion the best coaching. It's the passion."
Florida State's Bobby Bowden, Bob Stoops of Oklahoma, Texas' Mack Brown and Phil Fulmer of Tennessee also have deals averaging more than $2 million a year. Fulmer will make $2.05 million through 2011 after a recent extension.
Fulmer receives $800,000 from radio-TV, $625,000 from the Vols' apparel deal and $300,000 from an appearances and endorsement agreement.
Meyer's deal dwarfs the contract of predecessor Ron Zook, who made just more than $1 million per season in his three years at Florida before being fired late in the 2004 season.
The new coach's appeal and expectations are obvious in his new contract. He is required to attend 20 Gator gatherings, although that number can be negotiated downward and is expected to decrease in the near future.
Zook received $400,000 in his first year for the apparel part of his contract, $200,000 for TV and radio and $100,000 for appearances -- all three portions considerably less than Meyer.
Similar to a clause in most of Steve Spurrier's years at Florida, Meyer's deal allows him to consider other jobs only after the regular season until Jan. 2 each year. Meyer does not have a buyout clause in his Florida deal. He had a $250,000 buyout at Utah.
Longevity could provide more incentive than any buyout demands. The $100,000 investment will be deposited in a fund of Meyer's choice. If he remains at Florida until Jan. 31, 2012, he collects the entire amount plus all interest accumulated.
Coupled with the $600,000 bonus in 2011, Meyer would collect a total of $2.1 million dollars in longevity bonuses if he stays the full seven years.
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Interesting...UM would definately be on my short list if something unthinkable were to happen...

As for the ND issue; It seems to me that UM may be in a better situation at Florida anyway...I'm thinking that it's only a matter of time before there are big coaching shakeups at both Miami and FSU. I mean Bowden can't coach forever, can he?, and I imagine Coker is feeling the heat a little down there, especially after that bowl game humiliation...UM could really corner the recruiting market down there and set himself up for an extended run of success...JMHO.
 
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I see what you're saying, and this is going to sound pretty pathetic, but Alex Smith is good, but any other year he wouldn't have cracked the Top 10 (and yes, I know he still was drafted number one :wink2: ).

You're also right that Meyer went undefeated at Utah, and went to a BCS game and won, which is certainly impressive. However, their competition was not that great, and their BCS bowl opponent was a mediocre team. It's all the luck of the draw, and Meyer and the Utes certainly got the better end that year. I'm not disrespecting Meyer or Utah. However, I think that it wouldn't be totally farfetched to say that maybe he and the 2004 Utah Utes were overrated.

I agree with what you're saying, I was just saying that it shouldn't be used to make a point about him not being up to par as a coach. If he would have struggled during his tenure at Utah, and not done what he did, then it would certainly be a point to criticize him on.

As far as Alex Smith, I think that he was one of the worst #1 draft pick in awhile. He is nowhere near on the level of Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Jay Cutler, or really even David Carr. But as far as Meyer is concerned, you have to give him credit for producing the #1 draft pick.
 
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I agree with what you're saying, I was just saying that it shouldn't be used to make a point about him not being up to par as a coach. If he would have struggled during his tenure at Utah, and not done what he did, then it would certainly be a point to criticize him on.

As far as Alex Smith, I think that he was one of the worst #1 draft pick in awhile. He is nowhere near on the level of Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Jay Cutler, or really even David Carr. But as far as Meyer is concerned, you have to give him credit for producing the #1 draft pick.

Good point. From what I've seen of Meyer so far, I think that he's been pretty successful, but I'd give him two or three more years, and see what he does with the University of Florida football program.

I've said it many times, but Dan Hawkins tough, no-bullshit philosophy would be great for the Buckeyes, and I think he'd be a great fit for the Buckeyes Head Coach position if he ever had the oppurtunity to fill it.
 
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Nick Saban is the Madam of Whores, why would anyone want to hire him.

By the time Tressel retires, who knows who the next hot commodity will be but one thing is for certain.

Look to Wyoming because they are the truce "cradle of coaches."
 
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I couldn't help but think about this thread while I was supposed to be working today.

Crashcup brings up the thought that kept coming back to me...

...he won't retire for awhile yet...
...So who has a good football mind...
...and is about 20-30 years younger than Tress???

The name I kept coming back to was Craig Krenzel.

For all we know he'll be gunning for a Nobel Prize in Medicine or Chemistry or both by that point and might consider coaching a waste of his mind; but I think that with his football savvy and the leadership that he displayed while he was here, he'll be a great coach if he decides to go that route.
 
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