I am not all in

[BUCKYLE]

that thing stretched my giant ass 16:9 work monitor at 1920x1080

He asked for it.

I didn't know how huge it was 'til it was too late.

 

[buxfan4life]

I didn't know how huge it was 'til it was too late.

That's what she said.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

that thing stretched my giant ass

 

[Gatorubet]

Orange and Blue, Poodle, not Black and anything.
I give his ass ONE WLOCP. One!

 

[Jake]

 

[Gatorubet]

fi

 

[Buckeye86]

You don't scare me, work on it.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6vHOR8lzTg"]YouTube - war face[/ame]

 

[Jaxbuck]

You don't scare me, work on it.

YouTube - war face

and yes, the prepare your anus one still gets me everytime.

 

[brough]

My two cents on this stuff.

I do not support anyone completely or the reverse. I support TOSU and the ideals of the United States and My Religion, Christianity. People are flawed and make mistakes. Life would not be human if we did not make mistakes. Even if Tressel lied, none of it for me rises to the level of more than stupidity. Tressel knew and did not say anything, his reason is that he was trying to support his students and there was an investigation. Whatever. I think he put the year and school and players ahead of himself, not in an intelligent manner, but for what, a total of 5000 bucks, between 5 players? He should lose his job over this? Ha, absurd. He should lose his job if he cannot be trusted as a coach any more, if he loses the trust of his players. Can't see that happening, the degree to which the NCAA goes relative to the "crime", that is what is pathetic in this situation as well. Bush's family took 300,000, Five grand is not even five months worth of living expenses, even if you have roommates. Why can't the school give the players, bringing in tens of millions, a semester stipend to pay for stuff, so the money in simple cases like this are not a prob. Set the rule the same across the whole college landscape. The differences are pathetic. Set the rules in a balanced way, like chess rather than tic-tac-toe or the U.S. tax code. Set the rules in a way that makes the game worth playing. Not micromanaged and not under-managed. This country is suffering from this problem on nearly every level. Hold him accountable, but don't blow up something that is doing good for many, over 5000 bucks. Its so shallow, we might as well really think of ourselves as machines the way things are run today. But what I know is the difference of the spirit and the letter of the law, that humans were not made by the law, but the law is for human beings. Anything that is not aiming for balance and growth of human character, education in its true sense, is not important here. We have to stop destroying those that fail, as the One put it, let him who is without sin, throw the first stone. Lets correct people and make them more successful, not destroy many because of the humanity of one. Lets take about 2% of the punishment of USC, that is about the relation of 5000 to 300000. Sorry, did not think it important enough to actually do the math.

 

[DaveyBoy]

the only problem with the idea of giving the players a stipend is that once they get one the next question will be how much more should they be getting ? The slippery slope will lead to an all-out arms war that could threaten the fabric of college "amateur" football. I shudder to think of losing one of the last great bastions of OSU and College history.


So much sucks about this situation....and has for years.

The money in CFB has spiraled out of control.....and the systems to manage compliance haven't kept up nor will they keep up. We get what we deserve. And we're about to get a major punch to the gut.

Oh well, what doesn't kill you can make you stronger.

I do not support anyone completely or the reverse. I support TOSU and the ideals of the United States and My Religion, Christianity. People are flawed and make mistakes. Life would not be human if we did not make mistakes. Even if Tressel lied, none of it for me rises to the level of more than stupidity. Tressel knew and did not say anything, his reason is that he was trying to support his students and there was an investigation. Whatever. I think he put the year and school and players ahead of himself, not in an intelligent manner, but for what, a total of 5000 bucks, between 5 players? He should lose his job over this? Ha, absurd. He should lose his job if he cannot be trusted as a coach any more, if he loses the trust of his players. Can't see that happening, the degree to which the NCAA goes relative to the "crime", that is what is pathetic in this situation as well. Bush's family took 300,000, Five grand is not even five months worth of living expenses, even if you have roommates. Why can't the school give the players, bringing in tens of millions, a semester stipend to pay for stuff, so the money in simple cases like this are not a prob. Set the rule the same across the whole college landscape. The differences are pathetic. Set the rules in a balanced way, like chess rather than tic-tac-toe or the U.S. tax code. Set the rules in a way that makes the game worth playing. Not micromanaged and not under-managed. This country is suffering from this problem on nearly every level. Hold him accountable, but don't blow up something that is doing good for many, over 5000 bucks. Its so shallow, we might as well really think of ourselves as machines the way things are run today. But what I know is the difference of the spirit and the letter of the law, that humans were not made by the law, but the law is for human beings. Anything that is not aiming for balance and growth of human character, education in its true sense, is not important here. We have to stop destroying those that fail, as the One put it, let him who is without sin, throw the first stone. Lets correct people and make them more successful, not destroy many because of the humanity of one. Lets take about 2% of the punishment of USC, that is about the relation of 5000 to 300000. Sorry, did not think it important enough to actually do the math.

 

[Gatorubet]

I do not support anyone completely or the reverse. I support TOSU and the ideals of the United States and My Religion, Christianity. People are flawed and make mistakes. Life would not be human if we did not make mistakes. Even if Tressel lied, none of it for me rises to the level of more than stupidity. Tressel knew and did not say anything, his reason is that he was trying to support his students and there was an investigation. Whatever.

Here is the part where the contention will be. Some will think you are playing psychic in trying to discern his reason. Or reasons. They could be noble or dishonest. Naive or calculating. There could be elements of all, as the helping and the selfish could coexist, since the motives are not mutually exclusive under the facts.

I think he put the year and school and players ahead of himself, not in an intelligent manner, but for what, a total of 5000 bucks, between 5 players? He should lose his job over this? Ha, absurd.
He should lose his job if he cannot be trusted as a coach any more, if he loses the trust of his players. Can't see that happening, the degree to which the NCAA goes relative to the "crime", that is what is pathetic in this situation as well. Bush's family took 300,000, Five grand is not even five months worth of living expenses, even if you have roommates.

He is being punished for one of the gravest violations in NCAA rules. Knowingly allowing ineligible players to play, and not being honest with the NCAA or his school when asked about it. All but one coach charged with the violation have lost their jobs. The dollar amount of the items sold has nothing to do with the duty to report violations that render players ineligible - or to continue playing the players you know should be ineligible. His silence in December when tOSU submitted the request to let the five play was literal fraud on the NCAA. He played them (the NCAA) for fools, and I'm sure that they are not amused. It is only the extraordinary record and exemplary reputation of the man that keeps him as your coach as we discuss this. Most coaches would not have survived the March presser.

Why can't the school give the players, bringing in tens of millions, a semester stipend to pay for stuff, so the money in simple cases like this are not a prob. Set the rule the same across the whole college landscape. The differences are pathetic. Set the rules in a balanced way, like chess rather than tic-tac-toe or the U.S. tax code. Set the rules in a way that makes the game worth playing. Not micromanaged and not under-managed. This country is suffering from this problem on nearly every level. Hold him accountable, but don't blow up something that is doing good for many, over 5000 bucks.

Changing the rules is fine. Breaking them before they are changed is the problem.

Its so shallow, we might as well really think of ourselves as machines the way things are run today. But what I know is the difference of the spirit and the letter of the law, that humans were not made by the law, but the law is for human beings. Anything that is not aiming for balance and growth of human character, education in its true sense, is not important here. We have to stop destroying those that fail, as the One put it, let him who is without sin, throw the first stone. Lets correct people and make them more successful, not destroy many because of the humanity of one. Lets take about 2% of the punishment of USC, that is about the relation of 5000 to 300000.

fify :p

 

[BUCKYLE]

Here is the part where the contention will be. Some will think you are playing psychic in trying to discern his reason. Or reasons. They could be noble or dishonest. Naive or calculating. There could be elements of all, as the helping and the selfish could coexist, since the motives are not mutually exclusive under the facts.

No shit, sherlock. Playing psychic is hardly new to this thread. I don't care if you get the death penalty now.

He is being punished for one of the gravest violations in NCAA rules. Knowingly allowing ineligible players to play, and not being honest with the NCAA or his school when asked about it. All but one coach charged with the violation have lost their jobs. The dollar amount of the items sold has nothing to do with the duty to report violations that render players ineligible - or to continue playing the players you know should be ineligible. His silence in December when tOSU submitted the request to let the five play was literal fraud on the NCAA. He played them (the NCAA) for fools, and I'm sure that they are not amused. It is only the extraordinary record and exemplary reputation of the man that keeps him as your coach as we discuss this. Most coaches would not have survived the March presser.

One of the gravest violations in NCAA rules that they can only punish you for if you tell them you broke it, otherwise, move along, nothing to see here.

Changing the rules is fine. Breaking them before they are changed is the problem.

Agreed.

 

[zincfinger]

the only problem with the idea of giving the players a stipend is that once they get one the next question will be how much more should they be getting ? The slippery slope will lead to an all-out arms war that could threaten the fabric of college "amateur" football...

To me, there's at least one other problem/question raised by the proposal. Should every player be paid the same amount? If the reason for paying college football players is so that, for fairness's sake, they can share in the wealth they're creating for the University, it doesn't seem to make sense, or to address the alleged problem, if you're paying the fourth string OG the same salary you're paying the starting quarterback. Fans are out there buying #2 jerseys, not #63 jerseys (I took that number at random; no offense meant to whoever wears it).

 

[MaxBuck]

To me, there's at least one other problem raised by the proposal. Should every player be paid the same amount? If the reason for paying college football players is so that they can share in the wealth they're creating for the University, based on a sense of fairness, it doesn't seem to make sense, or to address the alleged problem, if you're paying the fourth string OG the same salary you're paying the starting quarterback. Fans are out there buying #2 jerseys, not #63 jerseys (I took that number at random; no offense meant to whoever wears it).

This is, in a nutshell, why I favor simply allowing players to sell whatever they choose for whatever they can get. That ensures the market system will work - people will pay more for Terrelle Pryor's autograph than they will for Donnie Evege's. Such an approach also will eliminate the need to penalize other sports, which would suffer greatly if football players were to paid stipends.

 

[BB73]

He is being punished for one of the gravest violations in NCAA rules. Knowingly allowing ineligible players to play, and not being honest with the NCAA or his school when asked about it.

He signed the form in September, and he obviously should have disclosed his emails when the story broke in December, but I don't recall anything that actually says he was specifically "asked about it" before January when the emails were discovered. From December, I have a recollection of him saying vague things, but nothing that indicates that he was questioned about having any knowledge of the situation.

He obviously wasn't forthcoming, but the "not being honest ...when asked about it" may fall into the "assumes facts not in evidence" category. You certainly may research old articles and post links as part of your re-direct.