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Gatorubet;1912457; said:
That is exactly correct. Now (and I neither expect it or wish it), the current NCAA investigation as set forth in the NOA is not limited to the withholding of information about tatgate and the signed compliance cert. That is part of it to be sure. But the request made to tOSU was for an investigation of the people involved, players, staff and Cicero and Rife - of what was sold, when, and how much. A request for any other players - even those who graduated or left - who may have sold stuff. Who - if anyone else among tOSU staff knew anything about the extra benefits, and what did they know?

So people need to know that the parameters of the investigation are not limited to Tress. The NCAA has specifically asked for any an all other violations uncovered in the investigation that tOSU is about to do. They can always reserve the right to find that the institution failed at something, if new info is found, or if the sales were known or found to have gone on for some time. A sporadic deal might be viewed differently than an on-going thing over many years. (Don't ask me how the staff is supposed to know who got a tat or how much it cost - but if some low level staff guy is asked and says "Oh - that. Yeah, our guys have done that for some time, no biggie" then it all may blow up in ways nobody knows)

I'm nor trying to rumor monger Bill, but the specific requests of tOSU by the NCAA in the NOA ask for all of that, and the NCAA always leaves itself the flexibility to get into more things in any investigation. I guess I'm saying that there is no evidence of any impropriety by tOSU, but reminding everyone that the investigation an fairly be said to just be starting again - and is not in any way limited to just the known Tress issue. The institution looks pretty clean, but that will depend upon the depth of the self report investigation and the information turned up in this second one. *

*In the FSU deal they did self investigations more than once - answered the NCAA's NOA more than once - had a request for more information, and (shocking, I know) the second one turned up the bigger problem.
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That's typical language in an NCAA Notice of Allegations. Here's TSUN's from last year, for anybody that cares.

It's possible that something else could still be uncovered, but please don't feel that you personally need to repeatedly remind us of that. You posted that yesterday here in this thread.
 
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BB73;1912470; said:
That's typical language in an NCAA Notice of Allegations. Here's TSUN's from last year, for anybody that cares.

It's possible that something else could still be uncovered, but please don't feel that you personally need to repeatedly remind us of that. You posted that yesterday here in this thread.
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I was drunk most of yesterday Bill. I can't be bound by your bourgeois Midwestern daytime sobriety limitations. :biggrin:

But I'm sober today, so that your comment is a fact that is now embedded in my memory like Miss Catherine Potter's week-end visit to see me in February of 1983. Maybe not THAT memorable, but... :lol:

Actually, a lot is the same as TSUN's, but they did not ask TSUN to essentially do another investigation in the same way that they asked y'all. Not saying it is ominous, just different.
 
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Apache;1912449; said:
To compare what happened at the Ohio State University in the football program to what has or may have happened elsewhere is an attempt at rationalization.

Below is a text reply I made to the Herd on ESPN.

Dear Colin,

While I do not always agree with your opinions, they almost always make me think deeper about the situations. I like your show and the fact that you do not take yourself or your opinions too seriously. I am a huge college football fan and being a three time graduate of Ohio State, I am also a big Buckeye fan. As a high school coach Woody Hayes and Frank Kremblas (a friend and former OSU qb) came to the high school when we made the playoffs to speak to the student body and team at a rally.

I am not one to to promote the firing of anyone.

But the fact of the matter is, Jim Tressel, lied and tried to cover up transgressions by his players. A simple call or visit to the Compliance Department would have solved this for him and the program. He CHOSE not to do this and as a result worsened the situation for his program, his A.D., his president, and himself.

Even after discovery, instead of coming out and saying, "I made a mistake. I was trying to help the players, (if in fact that was his motivation) and what I did was wrong. I will accept any sanctions the school and the NCAA may impose." The university and the the coach, put forth a weak effort with the two and later 5 game suspension and the financial penalty.

Ohio State has stated that Coach Tressel made the mistake and will remain their coach. I do not have a problem with that, as I think having made that statement, they must stay true to their word.

But, that is dependent on no more revelations of deceit.

I think an appropriate sanction would be a one year suspension that includes no contact at all for the year and that includes recruiting. Ohio State will not be allowed any post-season bowl appearances for that year. In addition, that suspension is without pay from the university and that money is donated to charity. Also, Coach Tressel should donate any money from his books and speaking engagements to those charities as well for that year.

This group of punishments shows that the Coach and the University takes this breach of honesty and integrity as deadly serious and will not be permitted.

The image of Ohio State football and Coach Tressel has been tarnished and the Vest has a good deal of stain.

Thanks again.

:osu:
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You have a stronger stomach than I do. I wouldn't be able to not sneak in "Colin the Coward is a douchecanoe" or "Colin the Coward likes little boys" every other sentence :biggrin:
 
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Gatorubet;1912474; said:
But I'm sober today, so that your comment is a fact that is now embedded in my memory like Miss Catherine Potter's week-end visit to see me in February of 1983.
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I am sure that is a personal call....what you only had 5 scotch and sodas instead of the typical 10....:biggrin:
 
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Jake;1912170; said:
So we're judging Jim Tressel's actions by who he was talking too, now?

It doesn't matter what Cam Newton did. It doesn't matter what the NCAA did. What matters is what Jim Tressel did. He didn't just lie to the NCAA. He withheld information from the compliance department and his boss and publicly disgraced his employer as a result. In most jobs that would be instant termination. It's a little more than a traffic ticket.

I like JT but the rationalizations I see being offered to excuse his actions are killing me. If I'm ever busted I want some members of BP to write OpEds on my behalf. I've seen some pretty creative stuff here.
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I never once said that Jim Tressel's actions were right or am trying to rationalize them being right.

And I may be delusional, but count me in the group that thinks Gee and Smith knew about this soon after Tressel did in SOME capacity. Not only does it go against history (Tressel has either self-reported or suspended star players before in years which had NC implications) but it goes against the current administrations actions. Why isn't Gee and Smith distancing themselves from Tressel before? Why stick up for him at the press conference?

SmoovP;1912363; said:
Oh, I see how this works...

Giving Cecil Newton $180,000 TOTALLY helped Auburn win all those games!
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If you look at my posting history on topics like these, you'll find that I'm the wrong person to be arguing with.:tongue2:
 
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Bleed S & G;1912545; said:
:lol:

I really don't get how people are cool with Tressel sweeping a potential issue under the rug so that these 5 players could play. I thought one of the things we prided ourselves on was winning the right way?
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I don't know who you're referring to as "cool with it" Admittedly I haven't followed this as closely as others (Frankly, I don't really give 2 shits about how this turns out. Ohio State football will be just fine and there isn't shit I can do about it anyway, so it aint worth the worry, in my IMO) but it seems to me most people on the "I support Tress" side of the fence freely admit he broke a rule(s) and should serve some punishment. My understanding is those folks are objecting to the calls for bloodletting and for imposition of harsher penalties because of this "we do it the right way" mentality.

It's really the same argument about the Tat5 and if they should have been, for example, held out of spring ball just because we're Ohio State and we "do things the right way"

The "right way"

Considering the governing body at issue here, who the fuck knows what "the right way" is.
 
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BUCKYLE;1912224; said:
That being said, just because JT lied, doesn't make the NCAA credible or right. As grad said, some if not most wouldn't even be in college if not for their athletic gifts, and the hours they put into developing their gifts. The NCAA has no issue profitting like a [censored] from those gifts, while simultaneously telling the players that an education is enough reward. If that's the case, start handing out credit hours to the people that would have otherwise recieved cash.
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I wasn't aware that the NCAA is turning a profit...where can I sign up to be a shareholder?
 
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Systems_id;1912551; said:
And I may be delusional, but count me in the group that thinks Gee and Smith knew about this soon after Tressel did in SOME capacity.
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I may be delusional too, but I tend to agree. This goes against everything we know about JT. Note that I used the word "know" because in the end, I believe that we do know him as opposed to "thought we knew" him.

This still smells of too much fish to me.
 
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Bleed S & G;1912545; said:
:lol:

I really don't get how people are cool with Tressel sweeping a potential issue under the rug so that these 5 players could play. I thought one of the things we prided ourselves on was winning the right way?
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You don't have to agree with my position, but to not understand what I'm saying? :lol:
 
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Colvinnl;1912566; said:
I wasn't aware that the NCAA is turning a profit...where can I sign up to be a shareholder?
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Looks like the NCAA had net operating income of $57.2 million in FY (Aug) 2010, of which it invested nearly all in its very, very healthy balance sheet...

No, doesn't look like you can invest....

http://catalog.proemags.com/publication/0affe96d#/0affe96d/60
 
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