Holding Calls--Penalty Discussion (Merged)

[bucknut11]

 

[Bleed S & G]

The most concerning thing for me is when the announcers even said one ref reached into his pocket for the flag, but decided not to throw it...

yea, this is what i was going to say.. unreal

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

This isn't even the "bad" one.

But it is pretty bad.

I'm sure we all agree with Yertle though. This is strange stuff, worthy of comment; but for the most part it sounds like that's all it is to most of us. Bucks are finding a way to win anyway.

I am as blind as anybody when it comes to OSU's own holding. I don't typically go to opponents' message boards either. SO... If someone ELSE sees pictures where Buckeyes are holding (and it wasn't called); by all means post them here. It's relevant to this conversation.

 

[SanAntonioBuck]

It makes you wonder how the officials graded out for the game.

 

[scooter1369]

It makes you wonder how the officials graded out for the game.

They all graded out about $500.00 from Joe Pa a piece

 

[SanAntonioBuck]

They all graded out about $500.00 from Joe Pa a piece

He does like to make donations!

 

[RCollett]

Apparently these are not holds either. Go figure.

 

[VprHis]

I don't know why I'm chiming in... I don't really have anything valuable to add. I think a lot of this is that we are quickest to see fault in others, rather than in ourselves (and by virtue of extension, our Bucks).

...Does seem a bit lopsided, though.

Bottom line--we're winning. God help the refs if this costs us a game somewhere along the line, though. They might not make it out of the stadium intact....

 

[RCollett]

I totally agree with you Vpr. It is just unreal that our o-line can be called for so many penalties while the opposing ones, going against our top notch d-line, are rarely flagged for the same penalties.

Oh well, lets just keep winning.

 

[Jagdaddy]

While I'm not really naturally inclined to be a "blame the refs" whiner, it is AMAZING how few penalties are called on OSU's opponents . . . especially this year. Consider the following penalty statistics through OSU's 5-0 start:

1. OSU's opponents are averaging 3.4 penalties and 24.4 penalty yards per game in their games versus OSU this year. If the opponents were a single team, that average would place them third in the NCAA in fewest penalty yards per game (and top 10 in fewest penalties per game).

2. Well, some might say, tOSU has just played very disciplined opponents. The numbers (which include the average lowering games against tOSU) say "not so fast my friend" as follows:

- N. Ill. currently averages 6.2 penalties for 54.8 yards per game
(79th in fewest penalty yards per game in the NCAA). They had 4 penalties for 35 yards versus tOSU.

- Texas currently averages 6.6 penalties for 58.4 penalty yards per game (92d in fewest penalty yards per game in the NCAA). They had 4 penalties for 39 yards versus tOSU.

- Cincinnati currently averages 7.4 penalties for 57.6 penalty yards per game (89th in fewest penalty yards per game in the NCAA). They had 6 penalties for 28 yards against tOSU.

- Penn State currently averages 4.6 penalties for 34.0 yards per game (10th in fewest penalty yards per game in the NCAA). They had three penalties for 20 yards against tOSU.

- Iowa currently averages 5.6 penalties for 47.6 penalty yards per game (47th in fewest penalty yards per game in the NCAA). They had 0 penalties for 0 yards vs. tOSU!!!

Combined, the average NCAA rank of tOSU's 2006 opponents through five games (INCLUDING THEIR AVERAGE LOWERING STATISTICS VERSUS tOSU) rounds to 63, while against tOSU they're 3d. In hard numbers, tOSU's opponents currently average 2.68 fewer penalties for 26.08 fewer penalty yards in their games against tOSU than they average overall!

3. Well, some might say, the refs just don't call anything on either team in tOSU games. Again, not so. tOSU currently averages 5.6 penalties for 47.8 penalty yards per game, which places the Buckeyes at a pedestrian 48th in the NCAA in fewest penalty yards per game and is very close to their penalty averages during the Tressel era.

Conclusion: While fans always see things through glasses in their team's colors, the 2006 numbers thus far back up many tOSU fans' perception that OSU's opponents are remarkably penalty free. In fact, the gap between their average penalty yards per game overall and their average penalty yards versus tOSU (26.08) exceeds their average penalty yards per game (24.4) versus tOSU!!! Unbelievable . . .

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Jagdaddy, you just received the first GPA I've ever given.

A+ for effort. That took a lot of work, and the way you presented it was very interesting. Good job.

 

[sandgk]

Given the several wierd and less than wonderful calls (or no calls) in the game vs Iowa I was waiting to hear if JT would have something to say about the matter in his weekly Presser. Not a thing of substance.

Well, actually that isn't true. The most substantive point he made was that he never felt he had won, nor lost a game on the strength of officiating. As always, a classy point to a contentious and loaded question.

We can be fairly certain that any efforts to inform the league office of any displeasure with the officiating will not see the light of day, ever.

 

[fourteenandoh]

Buckeyecommentary.com put up a good post regarding the issue of holding calls on our opponents.

 

[osugrad21]

CPD

Asking for penalties:
Tressel thought a Ted Ginn Jr. catch that was ruled incomplete upon review Saturday night should have been a completion. But he was more concerned about another aspect of that play, because Tressel thought Ginn got speared.
Replays showed that Iowa safety Miguel Merrick dove head-first at Ginn as he was on the ground after sliding for the throw, and hit Ginn in the shoulder with his shoulder, not with his helmet.
The Buckeyes players were more upset about another play. On the fifth play of Ohio State's first drive, replays show Iowa's King wrestling center Doug Datish to the ground and Datish's helmet coming off. The camera then moves away, but several players said Datish was hit several times in the face. "I think Doug's lucky, first of all, that he wasn't hurt and he probably reacted in the best possible way he could because he didn't retaliate," tight end Rory Nicol said. "It's just not called for, it's not part of the game, you don't need it. It was a physical game, it was dogfight, you just hate to see cheap shots like that."

 

[scooter1369]

CPD

Asking for penalties:
Tressel thought a Ted Ginn Jr. catch that was ruled incomplete upon review Saturday night should have been a completion. But he was more concerned about another aspect of that play, because Tressel thought Ginn got speared.
Replays showed that Iowa safety Miguel Merrick dove head-first at Ginn as he was on the ground after sliding for the throw, and hit Ginn in the shoulder with his shoulder, not with his helmet.
The Buckeyes players were more upset about another play. On the fifth play of Ohio State's first drive, replays show Iowa's King wrestling center Doug Datish to the ground and Datish's helmet coming off. The camera then moves away, but several players said Datish was hit several times in the face. "I think Doug's lucky, first of all, that he wasn't hurt and he probably reacted in the best possible way he could because he didn't retaliate," tight end Rory Nicol said. "It's just not called for, it's not part of the game, you don't need it. It was a physical game, it was dogfight, you just hate to see cheap shots like that."

There have several comments about the dirty play of Iowa in that game. One guy taking a shot at Pitt's head with his knee was one caught by the camera. Even my wife let out a "WTF?"

How Datish restrained himself from going Roy Jones Jr. on King's head is beyond me.