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Holding Calls--Penalty Discussion (Merged)

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OHIO STATE NOTEBOOK
Datish commended for keeping his cool
Wednesday, October 04, 2006
Tim May
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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Doug Datish, 50, had his helmet ripped off and absorbed four punches from a Hawkeyes player, teammate Anthony Gonzalez said.
The officials kept their flags in their pockets for the most part Saturday night during Ohio State?s 38-17 win at Iowa. But OSU receiver Anthony Gonzalez said yesterday that it was far from a clean game.
"There were a few plays throughout the game, in particular (OSU center) Doug Datish getting his helmet ripped off and getting punched in the face four times right in front of a ref. That was interesting," Gonzalez said. "I probably shouldn?t have said that."
But such incidents are in the news. On Sunday, Tennessee Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was caught stomping on the head of Dallas Cowboys center Andre Gurode, who needed 30 stitches to close the wounds. Haynesworth was suspended for five games by the NFL.
Datish was not available for comment yesterday, but Gonzalez said the incident was "similar to but not nearly as blatant as the guy from the Titans stepping on the other guy?s head."
What stood out was the way Datish kept his cool, tight end Rory Nicol said.
"Doug, first of all, luckily wasn?t hurt, and probably reacted about the best possible way he could because he didn?t retaliate," Nicol said. "You saw what happened at Tennessee this weekend, that thing ? it?s just not called for. It?s not part of the game."
No one could recall the number of the Iowa player involved. But what was needed at the time, Gonzalez said, was a penalty flag.
"You?re hoping that if somebody rips your helmet off and starts throwing punches, that maybe a flag will be thrown," Gonzalez said. "But in that particular case it wasn?t, and it was frustrating."
 
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Why aren't these refs being held accountable like the refs in the Oklahoma v. Oregon game?

Is there anything we can do as fans to make sure they are held accountable... like write a respectful letter to somebody? Who would that somebody be and where should we mail it?

Ginn's overruled completion and the fact that Datish was slugged 4 times without a penalty is cause for real concern.
 
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Iowa fans have enough to deal with in terms of getting smoked at home, so I don't want to make this into an all-out shit fest on Iowa's players, but there were many instances where Iowa's collective cool was teetering off the edge. Having just heard what happened to Datish, I can't be more impressed with the way they handled the no-calls and cheap shots. They handled that situation like men and I wish stories like that could be told to more people.
 
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Got this info from this link...
http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/confldrs.html


OPPONENT PENALTIES G No Yds Avg/G
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1. Indiana............. 5 36 353 70.6
2. Purdue.............. 5 35 263 52.6
3. Northwestern........ 5 30 244 48.8
4. Iowa................ 5 27 238 47.6
5. Michigan............ 5 31 216 43.2
6. Penn State.......... 5 26 212 42.4
7. Illinois............ 5 25 203 40.6
8. Minnesota........... 5 26 187 37.4
9. Wisconsin........... 5 21 181 36.2
10.Michigan State...... 5 24 177 35.4
11.Ohio State.......... 5 17 122 24.4

Only 17 penalties called against our opponents after 5 games? With our almost unblockable D-Line?
 
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R0CK3TM4NN;625270; said:
Iowa fans have enough to deal with in terms of getting smoked at home, so I don't want to make this into an all-out shit fest on Iowa's players, but there were many instances where Iowa's collective cool was teetering off the edge. Having just heard what happened to Datish, I can't be more impressed with the way they handled the no-calls and cheap shots. They handled that situation like men and I wish stories like that could be told to more people.
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There were also a lot of complaints about Iowa last year with dirty play, especially during the Northwestern game. The media wonks cream all over Saint Ferentz every chance they get, but there have been plenty of rumblings that Iowa plays dirty as a general rule on his watch. How much of that is him and how much is just the players is hard to say, but it is his responsibility, one way or the other.
 
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When you see something like Ginn's catch/no-catch and the late hit/spearing and you know the refs are looking right at that play.............
I just don't get it!

Watch Ginn in the games and see how much is going on with people going after him constantly!
He's a marked man!
 
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The thing that most disturbs me is the thing we didn't know about until Gonzo told the press: The 4 punches that Datish absorbed, reportedly right in front of a stripey.

While I am as proud of this team as you could imagine for their comportment, I am left completely stunned that the officials could let something that blatant go. When one team is playing with the utmost class, and the other is "wilting under the pressure" to be charitable; you would think the officials would at least call it even. I am completely at a loss for an explanation.
 
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I was in the US during this game and watched it and the preceding week's games. My internet connection was terrible from the conference I attended but I cannot tell you how cool it was to see two Buckeye games on normal TV. It was just so cool to watch them take the field in that yellow-packed hostile stadium and then take it to the Hawkeyes and their crybaby quarterback! To see them keep their cool despite the cheap shots. In my opinion, we have a well-coached, class team and I couldn't have been prouder of them.

That said, I was amazed at both of the calls mentioned earlier in the thread, but more at the blatant attempts to hurt Ted Ginn. I counted three times that I would have considered him to have been speared and there were numerous late hits on Buckeye players, including Ginn.

I hope that someone will make a highlights reel of the crap that is taking place and get it circulated on Youtube and to the Big Ten.
 
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Holding calls missed.. ok it happens

Spearing and punching.. you HAVE to call for the saftey of players.. once they dont call it once, it'll only get worse

Ps. we could see holds from the stands in iowa (and tate's fumble, and the spear, and yada yada yada) it's almost like the refs want a close game but you got to draw a line at borderline dangerouse shit (ie. facemasks, spearing)
 
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I think the crowd and excitement of the game must have just been overwhelming for those refs!
You'd like to think that being adults they can handle it.
But, the emotions of that game has got to have an effect!
These guys aren't professionals.
They're just regular people with other jobs.
 
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I'm all for letting 'em play, but it is clear to me something is out of wack. It won't bite us the next 6 weeks, but it may be our season in 7 weeks. tSun has consistently gotten calls their way. And in fact, a couple of ticky-tack PI calls in 2002 came real close to giving that game away. Calls that were absurd when the game was on the line. Even last year, who can forget the PI call on Everett in the endzone? Textbook D and he gets called for it.

The statistics that have been cited earlier draw a very clear picture (great job, guys). But my own observations are pretty clear as well. Ask yourself this. How many ticky-tack fouls (or outright non-fouls) have been called on our opponents just this year? How many blatant fouls has tOSU gotten away with (like the Gholston hold). Throw in the the TG pass incomplete call, the Tate non-fumble, and I have to say its a trend.

I admit, I don't believe in conspiracies and I don't believe the refs have it in for us. So what gives? I personally think its a combination of the following:
  1. Some coaches work the refs more than Bobby Knight. Carr does it incessantly, its one of the reasons I consider him classless (that, and he always has an excuse for his losses). Watch Carr of the sideline for the duration of any game, and he is jawing the refs almost continuously. JT never works the refs, and it probably costs him. I think this is probably the biggest reason for the imbalance.
  2. I think home field advantage does play into it, although we don't seem to get much love at home, either.
  3. We tend to play extremely aggressive football on both offense and defense. More so than any other team I have seen. I wonder if that makes the refs a little more trigger happy.
  4. I wonder if other teams coaches have whined about us to the front office enough that we're being watched just a little more carefully than others (okay, a little bit of conspiracy). Because the worst officiating seems to be the B10 officials
  5. We are playing a lot of young guys. They tend to get called a lot more, even for plays the older guys might get away with.
Whatever the reason, we got to get this under control fast. Because, again, it may very well cost us the last game of the regular season.
 
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I don't know if anyone else caught this, but #47, the one who hit Datish, was also the same one that ran up behind Troy Smith followed closely behind him in what looked like a weak attempt to talk smack. Further demonstrating what class #47 has, the moment Troy turned around, he headed the other way toward his sideline.
 
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