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Holbrook to Retire (Merged)

Rags-to-riches story? Not hardly. But here's the thing...the average student doesn't give two shits about research...

Maybe so, but then they shouldn't have gone to Ohio State. Guess what? Ohio State is a research university. It has been for over 100 years. It was established and nurtured by the state of Ohio in its formative years to be a research university.

Now, that doesn't mean I feel Ohio State shouldn't devote the effort and resources into making the undergraduate experience everything that it can be, but nor should it undo over 100 years of institutional history.

Seriously, to decide to go to Ohio State and then bitch about it being a graduate/research university is akin to attending Miami and then bitching because everybody's a suburban white guy that joins a frat and majors in business. You damned well should have looked into this before going in. I think it's indicative of the culture of narcissism that we live in. The attitude is, "hey I want to go to Ohio State, but I'm not going to conform to its standards or accept it for what it is; I demand that the institution conform itself to my standards and redefine itself into something that I'm comfortable with."

Seriously, what is so important that these kids get to attend Ohio State that it outweighs all of the associated negatives: the damage to Ohio State's rankings and reputation, the difficulty in recruiting high ability students, the difficulties in recruiting top faculty, the wasted resources on remedial programs, even the damage that it does to the intended beneficiaries of open admission who graduate far less frequently than similar students who choose attend less demanding institutions. What is so important that they attend Ohio State that it overrides all of these other factors? Please tell me that it's not so they can watch football games. Please tell me that you're not willing to sacrifice Ohio State's reputations so that some C student from Ashtabula can sit in Ohio Stadium on a Saturday afternoon.
 
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Ideal? :slappy:
Ideal for the slackers who couldn't even maintain a 3.0 average in high school. Laughable.

Tibor, there was a time when I wondered why others on this site treated you like something to which one would apply Preparation H. In fact, there was even a time when I pm'd you over what I considered an over-the-top insult by someone else. But now I'm enlightened. You appear to be the very kind of person that "selective enrollment" produces at Miami U... a pretentious, arrogant prick. Indeed, the more I think about it, you are the very proof I was looking for in opposing "selective enrollment" and promoting "retro abortion.":slappy: :slappy: :slappy: :slappy:
 
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Seriously, what is so important that these kids get to attend Ohio State that it outweighs all of the associated negatives: the damage to Ohio State's rankings and reputation, the difficulty in recruiting high ability students, the difficulties in recruiting top faculty, the wasted resources on remedial programs, even the damage that it does to the intended beneficiaries of open admission who graduate far less frequently than similar students who choose attend less demanding institutions. What is so important that they attend Ohio State that it overrides all of these other factors? Please tell me that it's not so they can watch football games. Please tell me that you're not willing to sacrifice Ohio State's reputations so that some C student from Ashtabula can sit in Ohio Stadium on a Saturday afternoon.

1) you don't have to have remediation programs. If that is understood from the git go wouldn't you think that many students would self non-select?

2) do what they used to do, at one level you are admitted for summer quarter on the condition that if you pass you stay. And then have them take English 411, math 4 whatever (when I entered all freshman courses were listed as 400 courses. This may not be the case anymore), botany 405, Western Civ 415 and an elective. Most of the problems will be gone by September.

3) do a lottery... if the place is as crowded as a previous post indicated then you have an across the board, fair way of distributing admission and getting rid of those who can't/won't cut it... and from what I've seen of selective enrollment programs it's a lottery anyway. This 3.9 GPA, 1400 SAT gets in, this 3.9, 1400 SAT doesn't. It's the stuff of law suites every year.

4) The-elephant-in-the-room issue: Name me a school with selective enrollment that doesn't have a diversity clause that allows the university to select some students who don't meet the standard in and keep some students who do meet the standard out. In the short run it sounds nice but in the long run you end up with kids resenting those who got in at their expense, which adds to intolerance, you get kids sitting in the classroom wondering how the kid next to them got in, you end up with little rich kids who get in 'cause daddy bought them an admission.
 
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OSU is cash-strapped and short on classroom and dormatory resources as it is. You think they're going to go through the trouble of weeding out 500 or 1000 freshmen the summer before they should start classes? Dream on. It makes no sense and in no way would it be feasible.

A much more logical solution and one that is currently in place admits the less-qualified high school graduates to the branch campuses at Newark, Mansfield, Marion, or ATI. If they prove they can cut it in the classroom for anywhere from 1 quarter to 1 year, they can transfer to Columbus. I see nothing wrong with this. The kids that simply slacked off for part of high school can get a start on their Ohio State education while taking the same classes as those in Columbus. They can prove they're serious about college without wasting the resources of the Columbus campus. If they don't want to go this route, then they were probably going to Ohio State for the wrong reasons to begin with.
 
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OSU is cash-strapped and short on classroom and dormatory resources as it is.
And there, my friend, is the answer. Strapped for cash, you do the easiest thing... not necessarily the best thing or the most moral thing. And as I said in earlier posts, it was the difference why Michigan came to its current academic standing and why OSU failed to keep up. Michiganders spent the money for quality.
 
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6/19

Plenty at stake for biz community when Holbrook successor selected

Executives say Ohio State President Karen Holbrook rarely got the credit she deserved for programs

By Jeff Bell
Business First of Columbus
Updated: 8:00 p.m. ET June 18, 2006

Dan Slane thinks Central Ohio business owners and executives are missing the point if they are disinterested in who will succeed Karen Holbrook as president of Ohio State University.
"They should be concerned because Ohio State is the driving force behind economic development in Central Ohio and the state in its entirety," said the past OSU trustees chairman and co-owner of Columbus-based Slane Cos., whose ventures include commercial real estate, waste treatment facilities, telecommunications and synthetic coal manufacturing.

"The key (for OSU) is research and development capability," he said, "especially on the medical side. I would want to see (Holbrook's successor) put a high priority on driving the research component of this university and region." Holbrook has done that, Slane said days after she told trustees she will retire at the end of her five-year term next June. The 63-year-old, first-time college president said she is stepping aside to spend more time with her husband, Jim, a retired oceanographer.
Holbrook arrived at Ohio State in October 2002 after serving as provost for four years at the University of Georgia. She succeeded William Kirwan, who left OSU to become chancellor of the University of Maryland system. Like most OSU presidents, Holbrook has had her share of critics in the business community and public at large, especially over her crackdown on drinking at football tailgate parties on campus.
But her biggest shortcoming is her inability "to blow her own horn," said Slane, whose nine-year term as an OSU trustee ended in May.
"That has really hurt her," he said, "because she has done so many good things. She has done a great job for Ohio State."
Two examples, he said, were her leadership in getting OSU's medical park in Dublin off the ground and the partnership she forged to create the Metro High School. Scheduled to open this fall, the science- and math-based school is an effort between the university, Battelle Memorial Institute and Educational Council of Franklin County.
"Other people were major factors," Slane said of the projects, "but it was her idea. She got no credit for it."
Battelle CEO Carl Kohrt acknowledges Holbrook for strengthening the ties between the research institution and university. Such collaboration has led to joint projects such as the Metro High School, efforts to add research and art components to the redeveloped Lazarus building in downtown Columbus and more collaborations on research projects.
"She's done a wonderful job of making it legitimate for (OSU) staff and faculty to feel it's OK and valued to work with other institutions, including Battelle," he said
Kohrt also praised Holbrook for advancing the amount and quality of research at the university.
"Generally, it's a harbinger of economic opportunity," Kohrt said. "Research leads to good ideas that solve problems, and people can make money from that."
What they want

Columbus' business owners and executives will be interested in the presidential search, Kohrt thinks, given OSU's economic muscle and because its president is the "voice and spear point" in the university's interactions with businesses.
"It's an extremely difficult job," Kohrt said. "You have to connect with so many different constituencies. You have to be the strategist and leader for your organization and be able to communicate and interact in a positive way with the business community."
The ability to interact is something every search committee looks for in university president candidates, said Joseph Alutto, dean of OSU's Fisher College of Business.
"Here in particular it's critical," he said. "A lot of what we're doing as an institution is advancing our colleges and (academic) units and that much depends on the level of support and interaction we have outside the university. It doesn't work unless a president is able to articulate common goals and a common direction.
"The general sense," he said, "is President Holbrook has done a fine job. The question now is really focused on the future."
Technology company startup specialist Adel Mikhail of Columbus hopes the future includes a president who is as well-versed in research and biotechnology as Holbrook, a biologist by training. He has helped launch biotech companies such as Rescenrtis, Phylogeny and SensIrOx that started at OSU's Business Technology Center.
"The president really sets the temperament and attitude toward entrepreneurism," said Mikhail, who praised the job Holbrook has done in that regard. "It really plays a critical role."
"Now what they need to do," he said, "is get a culture where there is innovation to create commercialization of the technology at OSU. That is their biggest challenge."
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The challenges facing the new OSU president will extend to myriad areas, prompting the need for a "broad dynamic leader," said Ty Marsh, CEO of the Columbus Chamber.
"To succeed," he said, "you have to have stamina, a thick hide and passion for the university and its mission."
Marsh gave Holbrook high marks for her work in promoting research and encouraging collaborations between businesses and the university. He also said there is a growing appreciation for the direction she has mapped for Ohio State after what many saw as her early struggles in the job.
"Some of the recognition was slow in coming," Marsh said, "but people continue to see the leadership she has provided at Ohio State and what that has done not only for the university but our region and state. She's done an excellent job."
© 2006 Business First of Columbus
 
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Wasn't sure where to put this, but the numbers are significant:

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Ohio State graduation numbers on the rise


Lev Elgudin

Issue date: 10/3/06 Section: Campus


As Ohio State's admission standards continue to grow, so does the graduation rate.

According to university officials, OSU freshman-to-sophomore retention rate is at 90 percent, while the graduation rate is at an all-time high of 71 percent.

The graduation percentage refers to students who graduate in six years or less, which is the national reporting standard for all universities. This is a significant increase from the 56 percent rate of five years ago.

"This is an extraordinary leap for us, especially when one considers that the university implemented competitive admission standards on the Columbus campus in 2003," President Karen A. Holbrook said in a statement.

Many departments, and OSU as a whole, have made a clear attempt during recent years to increase their academic help to students. This is apparent from the increase in the variety of first-year student programs.

U.S. News & World Report, which does a detailed ranking of many aspects of universities, has mentioned OSU's First Year Experience as a program that helps students early on in there college experience, university officials said.

One department that has jumped on the first-year student experience bandwagon is engineering. According to its Web site, the recently created First Year Engineering program offers students "practical, 'hands-on' engineering experience through project based design courses." The two-course sequence is an introduction to basic engineering skills and the engineering field in general.

Beginning in 2001, approximately 1,000 freshmen fill up the classrooms of First Year Engineering every year, and program coordinator John Merrill Ph.D. said he has seen great results.

"The students really like it," Merrill said. "It's a lot more practical, less theoretical. They get the feel for what engineering is all about."

The success Merrill references can be seen in the engineering retention rate, which is about 80 percent and the graduation rate is about 70 percent.

"The goal is to help students make an appropriate choice as far as their major, so they stay in engineering because they like it, and not because someone else chose for them," Merrill said.

The Office of Minority Affairs offers both younger and older undergraduates a chance to improve themselves academically through their Tutoring Program.

OMA pairs up older students who want to "give back" with younger students in a variety of academic fields, including many across the science, foreign language, business and humanities disciplines.

As of winter quarter 2004, more than 600 students have been using tutors to help them achieve an average .4 point rise in their grade point average, according to an article in "?Que Pasa, OSU?"

The two programs are examples of a campus and department-wide effort to help students earn their credits, graduate and become productive members of society.

"The rising entrance exam scores, retention and graduation rates all contribute to the growing reputation of Ohio State as one of our nation's leading institutions of higher learning," Holbrook said.
 
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Ohio State hires firm to help find new president

COLUMBUS (AP) ? Ohio State University will pay a firm $175,000 to help a 24-member search committee find the successor to President Karen Holbrook, who plans to retire at the end of the school year in June.
Chicago-based Heidrick & Struggles will identify candidates for the search committee to consider.
The firm, one of eight the committee considered, was chosen because of its national contacts and ?track record of success,? said Alex Shumate, committee chairman.

Heidrick & Struggles has more than 50 years experience helping companies find executives and board members, according to its Web site.

The firm is being paid $150,000 by the University of Iowa for help in its presidential search.
 
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Ohio State president could jump ship to Florida
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio State University's departing president is in discussions over a possible job with the University of Florida, where she previously worked as vice president of research, a Florida spokesman confirmed.
 
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Ohio State president could jump ship to Florida
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio State University's departing president is in discussions over a possible job with the University of Florida, where she previously worked as vice president of research, a Florida spokesman confirmed.

Let's see how much damage she can do down there. Lantern link.
 
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Ohio State president could jump ship to Florida
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio State University's departing president is in discussions over a possible job with the University of Florida, where she previously worked as vice president of research, a Florida spokesman confirmed.


Looks like that could be the end of the "Cocktail Party".
 
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