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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

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scarletngray said:
When your Offense averages over 40 pts a game you don't need a new play caller, imho. Where we need to improve is on Defense. Specifically in the secondary. Hopefully in Knowles, Walton and Eliano second year and some player development that will improve.
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If Day’s stated intent regarding recruiting is truly focused on selling “Come to OSU for player development” there needs to be some improvement in this group for sure.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
He'll always have a say in the calls. We all know that but there's not many HCs that call plays anymore. I'd imagine it's always hard to attract offensive coaches here too knowing theirs currently no chance they'll call plays.
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Yeah, he'll have a say like Urban did. But I wonder if he looks outward for an OC, or just hands the playbook over to Frye. I'm sure we all will name names until someone is officially named, because there are a good number of young names lighting up scoreboards around the country. Day has shown that he's not afraid to make splash hires for the betterment of the team
 
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TenYearBore said:
So I been staying out of this thread for my own personal safety, but are folks still seriously questioning whether or not Day can be the man after that game?

I mean from out here, it looks to me like the guy practically reads your forums. Every single thing y'all said he wasn't bold or good enough to do, he did against Georgia. The play calling and motivation were off the charts for the vast majority of that game. Yeah, he got timid at the end, but by that time you guys were down to Stroud and the #2 WR whose name I always spell wrong but ALSO surprised me and grew 10 feet tall against Georgia.

I understand the disappointment, and after the Michigan game I questioned if y'all were right about Day; but today? The guy did everything in his power to fix the mistakes you were all pointing out; I think it would be a huge mistake to move on from him.

Now whether or not you want the DC that turns every game into a Big12 game even if you don't want that? That's another story, I am not too impressed with Knowles.
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Hate to agree with a Xichigan man, but I do.

To people questioning about Day's play-calling, please hear me out.

Hanging a 40-burger on Kirby is a monumental feat. Since being hired as head coach of UGA in '16, Kirby has forged defense into the core identity of his program. Year in year out they field one of the best defenses in the country, if not the best. Their defense in '21 was historically elite.

Kirby is at the end of his 7th season at UGA (pending title game against TCU), and his team has only surrendered 40+ points in 7 out of 95 games. Basically once per season on average:

season opponent win_loss points_scored points_allowed
2017 vs 2 Oklahoma * W 54 48
2016 @ 23 Ole Miss L 14 45
2020 vs 8 Florida * L 28 44
2020 @ 2 Alabama L 24 41
2021 vs 3 Alabama * L 24 41
2022 vs 4 Ohio State * W 42 41
2017 @ 10 Auburn L 17 40
The '17 Rose bowl, '16 Ole Miss, and '21 'Bama game all featured defensive scores from UGA's opponent. The '17 Rose Bowl also saw Oklahoma kicked a FG in overtime. So in terms of pure offensive output in regulation, the Buckeyes' performance in the '22 Peach Bowl is in even more rarefied air. Only two teams had been able to match the Buckeyes' production, both in the '20 Covid season. One was a 'Bama title team with an all-timer offense; the other gave said title team all it wanted in the SECCG. And the Buckeyes were a very makable FG & controversial targeting/unnecessary-roughness non-call away from tying or exceeding the most points ever scored against Kirby and the premier defensive program in the nation.

Do you notice who is not on the above list? The legendary Joe Burrow and the '19 LSU Tigers. They only scored 37.

Now he must do it again in Ann Arbor this November with a first year starter.

To people questioning his defensive hires, OTOH ... I got nothin'
 
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rsh said:
Hate to agree with a Xichigan man, but I do.

To people questioning about Day's play-calling, please hear me out.

Hanging a 40-burger on Kirby is a monumental feat. Since being hired as head coach of UGA in '16, Kirby has forged defense into the core identity of his program. Year in year out they field one of the best defenses in the country, if not the best. Their defense in '21 was historically elite.

Kirby is at the end of his 7th season at UGA (pending title game against TCU), and his team has only surrendered 40+ points in 7 out of 95 games. Basically once per season on average:

season opponent win_loss points_scored points_allowed
2017 vs 2 Oklahoma * W 54 48
2016 @ 23 Ole Miss L 14 45
2020 vs 8 Florida * L 28 44
2020 @ 2 Alabama L 24 41
2021 vs 3 Alabama * L 24 41
2022 vs 4 Ohio State * W 42 41
2017 @ 10 Auburn L 17 40
The '17 Rose bowl, '16 Ole Miss, and '21 'Bama game all featured defensive scores from UGA's opponent. The '17 Rose Bowl also saw Oklahoma kicked a FG in overtime. So in terms of pure offensive output in regulation, the Buckeyes' performance in the '22 Peach Bowl is in even more rarefied air. Only two teams had been able to match the Buckeyes' production, both in the '20 Covid season. One was a 'Bama title team with an all-timer offense; the other gave said title team all it wanted in the SECCG. And the Buckeyes were a very makable FG & controversial targeting/unnecessary-roughness non-call away from tying or exceeding the most points ever scored against Kirby and the premier defensive program in the nation.

Do you notice who is not on the above list? The legendary Joe Burrow and the '19 LSU Tigers. They only scored 37.

Now he must do it again in Ann Arbor this November with a first year starter.

To people questioning his defensive hires, OTOH ... I got nothin'
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Yes they put up a lot of points on UGA, can't deny that. But it's just the feeling that he gets badly outcoached in 2nd halves in these big situations.

2 straight years against scUM trailed by 1 and half in 2021, led by 3 at half in 2022, before getting absolutely boatraced in the 2nd half .

And in this game he hucked away a 14 point lead with 10 minutes to play.

These are causes for concern. If we aren't blowing teams out he struggles. Blame defensive coaching all you want, but all of this comes back to the head coach, he's the guy ultimately In charge
 
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rsh said:
Hate to agree with a Xichigan man, but I do.

To people questioning about Day's play-calling, please hear me out.

Hanging a 40-burger on Kirby is a monumental feat. Since being hired as head coach of UGA in '16, Kirby has forged defense into the core identity of his program. Year in year out they field one of the best defenses in the country, if not the best. Their defense in '21 was historically elite.

Kirby is at the end of his 7th season at UGA (pending title game against TCU), and his team has only surrendered 40+ points in 7 out of 95 games. Basically once per season on average:

season opponent win_loss points_scored points_allowed
2017 vs 2 Oklahoma * W 54 48
2016 @ 23 Ole Miss L 14 45
2020 vs 8 Florida * L 28 44
2020 @ 2 Alabama L 24 41
2021 vs 3 Alabama * L 24 41
2022 vs 4 Ohio State * W 42 41
2017 @ 10 Auburn L 17 40
The '17 Rose bowl, '16 Ole Miss, and '21 'Bama game all featured defensive scores from UGA's opponent. The '17 Rose Bowl also saw Oklahoma kicked a FG in overtime. So in terms of pure offensive output in regulation, the Buckeyes' performance in the '22 Peach Bowl is in even more rarefied air. Only two teams had been able to match the Buckeyes' production, both in the '20 Covid season. One was a 'Bama title team with an all-timer offense; the other gave said title team all it wanted in the SECCG. And the Buckeyes were a very makable FG & controversial targeting/unnecessary-roughness non-call away from tying or exceeding the most points ever scored against Kirby and the premier defensive program in the nation.

Do you notice who is not on the above list? The legendary Joe Burrow and the '19 LSU Tigers. They only scored 37.

Now he must do it again in Ann Arbor this November with a first year starter.

To people questioning his defensive hires, OTOH ... I got nothin'
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In season I think it could help to have someone else call plays just so he can focus on time and subs, but he can still have a lot of input. Definitely want him more hands on in the playoffs when there is more time for prep. He's shown that he knows exactly where to attack regardless of opponent.

If he has confidence in Frye, I don't mind that, but it would be nice to see another up and coming OC with more experience. I'm still nervous after the Wariner/Beck experiment. Don't think Frye would be that bad of a promotion but until we see what he can do, it's an unknown.

The defensive hires might be ok. Criticism is warranted, but until the secondary matures it's hard to say if there's a real issue with Knowles.

Since I've been watching OSU, this is the most aggressive they've ever been. I'm not well versed in the scheme, but I know Dantonio/Heacock were more passive and Ash provided different coverages to go along with a similar attitude. Not sure they can afford to do that anymore with current offenses. Seems like you either concede points in bursts, but also cause more negative plays, or you slow everything down and hope you have a great redzone defense. But at some point you need to turn up the heat.

I like that Knowles disguises coverages and is willing to use a Jack/LEO/whatever to make it harder to understand what's coming. He has more ways of getting pressure on offenses than past OSU teams. The question is, can he find reliable calls for a middle gear that he can use with a lead or in games against TTUN where the best choice might be to gum things up and make them drive the field?
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Yes they put up a lot of points on UGA, can't deny that. But it's just the feeling that he gets badly outcoached in 2nd halves in these big situations.

2 straight years against scUM trailed by 1 and half in 2021, led by 3 at half in 2022, before getting absolutely boatraced in the 2nd half .

And in this game he hucked away a 14 point lead with 10 minutes to play.

These are causes for concern. If we aren't blowing teams out he struggles. Blame defensive coaching all you want, but all of this comes back to the head coach, he's the guy ultimately In charge
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So no blame goes to the defense?
 
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As someone who has a lot of questions about Day, this news of giving up play calling and becoming more of a coach of coaches goes the heart of what was my concern. I'm hoping we are seeing a guy grow through the Peter Principle here and learning how to use his spark of excellence to make the entire staff better, not just continue to be a great OC and part time HC.

He showed he can get the guys to play hard. Now consistency needs to be there.
He showed he can (mostly) put a game plan together that avoids the redzone stalls

Now he might be showing that he understands his new job is HC, not just OC, and that no matter how much he likes his staff, there is a difference between delegating authority and abdicating it.

Going forward, he's got to do something about the way his teams seem to flinch in the critical moment. That's no small feat but it can be done.

The Peach Bowl doesn't make up for how thoroughly outcoached and unprepared they were on 11/26 but it does show that he is at least capable of doing what is necessary. If he can do it once, he can do it again. Consistency of gameplan and effort, grow as a HC and fix the flinching then I'll be happy to say that I think he's the right guy.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Yes they put up a lot of points on UGA, can't deny that. But it's just the feeling that he gets badly outcoached in 2nd halves in these big situations.

2 straight years against scUM trailed by 1 and half in 2021, led by 3 at half in 2022, before getting absolutely boatraced in the 2nd half .

And in this game he hucked away a 14 point lead with 10 minutes to play.

These are causes for concern. If we aren't blowing teams out he struggles. Blame defensive coaching all you want, but all of this comes back to the head coach, he's the guy ultimately In charge
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Oh I agree. Let me rephrase.

IMO all the big game failures in recent years were on both the defense and offense:
  1. '20 'Bama: 52-24
  2. '21 TTUN: 42-27
  3. '22 TTUN: 45-23
Sure, the defenses were bad. The offenses (passing games in particular), while not bad, were merely mediocre. With the army NFL caliber QBs & WRs on scholarship, a supposedly offensive/QB guru at HC, and all the other resources dedicated to the passing game (recruiting budget, practice reps, etc), it should have been elite. Scoring in the 20's ain't going to get it done against TTUN, let alone the other big boys from the SEC.

The offense took a big step forward in the Peach Bowl. 40+ points against the #1 D while being mostly one dimensional, now that was a winning effort, even in a loss. That was the '19-LSU-esque offense that Day set out to build after back-to-back CFP exits in '19 and '20.

The defense, not so much.

Now the question becomes:
  1. Can the offense do it consistently (even when we have to break in new starting QBs every 1-2 years)?
  2. When will the defense take its big step forward?
Like you said, both ultimately falls on Day.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
As someone who has a lot of questions about Day, this news of giving up play calling and becoming more of a coach of coaches goes the heart of what was my concern. I'm hoping we are seeing a guy grow through the Peter Principle here and learning how to use his spark of excellence to make the entire staff better, not just continue to be a great OC and part time HC.

He showed he can get the guys to play hard. Now consistency needs to be there.
He showed he can (mostly) put a game plan together that avoids the redzone stalls

Now he might be showing that he understands his new job is HC, not just OC, and that no matter how much he likes his staff, there is a difference between delegating authority and abdicating it.

Going forward, he's got to do something about the way his teams seem to flinch in the critical moment. That's no small feat but it can be done.

The Peach Bowl doesn't make up for how thoroughly outcoached and unprepared they were on 11/26 but it does show that he is at least capable of doing what is necessary. If he can do it once, he can do it again. Consistency of gameplan and effort, grow as a HC and fix the flinching then I'll be happy to say that I think he's the right guy.
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He's shown it 3 times. He also looked unprepared 3 times. I'll give him a wash in 2020 Bama. Cause his QB was lucky to walk and Sermon got hurt like the 2nd play and we were missing Miyan who had shown something a few weeks prior. While facing an all time great O and given a week to prepare.

2019 Clemson I don't know what to do with. It could go in prepared like this game but the team dropped a few key plays and the refs went all SEC
 
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dragurd said:
He's shown it 3 times. He also looked unprepared 3 times. I'll give him a wash in 2020 Bama. Cause his QB was lucky to walk and Sermon got hurt like the 2nd play and we were missing Miyan who had shown something a few weeks prior. While facing an all time great O and given a week to prepare.

2019 Clemson I don't know what to do with. It could go in prepared like this game but the team dropped a few key plays and the refs went all SEC
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I basically go into these games now fully expecting to get shelled on least a couple of calls. All close officiating decisions lately, especially in these playoff type games seem to always go against us.
 
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dragurd said:
He's shown it 3 times. He also looked unprepared 3 times. I'll give him a wash in 2020 Bama. Cause his QB was lucky to walk and Sermon got hurt like the 2nd play and we were missing Miyan who had shown something a few weeks prior. While facing an all time great O and given a week to prepare.

2019 Clemson I don't know what to do with. It could go in prepared like this game but the team dropped a few key plays and the refs went all SEC
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'19 Clemson goes with '22 tsun and '22 UGA in the "quit flinching" category in my mind. '21 tsun is could too but I don't want to split hairs over it.
 
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