HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[Bill Lucas]

Guys...Day lost to TSUN. Twice.

None of us like it. There are a lot of things that need to get fixed before the CFP. Injuries have been critical and they aren't getting fixed. Ohio State is still capable of winning the NC.

All year long, some consistent themes emerged in BP. The defense was fixed by a hire. Harbaugh was an idiot and TSUN wasn't the team that they were the year before. Ohio State was winning NIL big time and they would beat them ugly in the 'Shoe.

Now, everything about Day is derogatory. The defense is terrible. An alternative is that many of these opinions exaggerate the true state of affairs.

BP is not this kind of place. We are not so short-sighted as to not understand that things turn around. The last 20 years of The Game are a streak like no other for Ohio State. What has to happen now is for these players or the players next year to turn things around again.

So, how can they do that? We have many posters who have played the game at this high level. Others who are coaching in high school and see things that most fans do not see. Over the years, we have had so many excellent posts like that, which we all appreciated.

BP is not a place to piss, moan, and whine out an unsubstantiated opinion that just repeats what we all feel in different words: we are disappointed to lose The Game at home (or ever) in that fashion and concerned that this may be a pattern of behavior going forward.

Please don't sit by your telephone waiting for Day to call and apologize because, after all, you put your "concerns" out there in a couple of three line posts on BP.

It's the holiday season. A time to spend with family and loved ones. A time to be charitable in thought, word, and deed.

Day knows that Buckeye fans are disappointed. So are the players and coaching staff. Day does not have time to give two shits about what fans think. He does not owe any of us an explanation. He has a job to do. So does the rest of the coaching staff and players. And if this young coach and his staff and players cannot get that done, then Gene Smith has a job to do.

What I know is that if it were not for Ohio State, many of our lives would be much different...and not for the better.

The time for a meltdown has long passed. Right now, this team needs its fanbase to pull their heads out of their asses and support the team. Let potential recruits see that the fans may be disappointed but stand behind this team through thick and thin. Please show this team your support in what you say.

Thank you Steve.

The biggest pull for me to join this site so many years ago was that "we don't bash Buckeyes at BP and that includes coaches". It seems that many have forgotten that fact and I am hopeful that the new management of the site has the same mindset.

I don't care if they're now semi-professional players. The same standard of conduct should still apply here.

 

[Jake]

Recruits don’t make decisions about anything said here.

Nothing said here has any impact, good or bad, on the team.

It’s a place to talk about a football team. Leave the holier than thou stuff to Penn State and tsun fans.

It’s big time football and the coach is fair game when he falls short.

Yeah, not a lot of high school kids are hanging out on message boards in 2022. They're on social media, where far worse things are said than anything posted here.

There are a ton of #FireRyanDay tweets since November 26th. That many of them also demanded Deion Sanders replace him is hilarious, though.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Guys...Day lost to TSUN. Twice.

None of us like it. There are a lot of things that need to get fixed before the CFP. Injuries have been critical and they aren't getting fixed. Ohio State is still capable of winning the NC.

All year long, some consistent themes emerged in BP. The defense was fixed by a hire. Harbaugh was an idiot and TSUN wasn't the team that they were the year before. Ohio State was winning NIL big time and they would beat them ugly in the 'Shoe.

Now, everything about Day is derogatory. The defense is terrible. An alternative is that many of these opinions exaggerate the true state of affairs.

BP is not this kind of place. We are not so short-sighted as to not understand that things turn around. The last 20 years of The Game are a streak like no other for Ohio State. What has to happen now is for these players or the players next year to turn things around again.

So, how can they do that? We have many posters who have played the game at this high level. Others who are coaching in high school and see things that most fans do not see. Over the years, we have had so many excellent posts like that, which we all appreciated.

BP is not a place to piss, moan, and whine out an unsubstantiated opinion that just repeats what we all feel in different words: we are disappointed to lose The Game at home (or ever) in that fashion and concerned that this may be a pattern of behavior going forward.

Please don't sit by your telephone waiting for Day to call and apologize because, after all, you put your "concerns" out there in a couple of three line posts on BP.

It's the holiday season. A time to spend with family and loved ones. A time to be charitable in thought, word, and deed.

Day knows that Buckeye fans are disappointed. So are the players and coaching staff. Day does not have time to give two shits about what fans think. He does not owe any of us an explanation. He has a job to do. So does the rest of the coaching staff and players. And if this young coach and his staff and players cannot get that done, then Gene Smith has a job to do.

What I know is that if it were not for Ohio State, many of our lives would be much different...and not for the better.

The time for a meltdown has long passed. Right now, this team needs its fanbase to pull their heads out of their asses and support the team. Let potential recruits see that the fans may be disappointed but stand behind this team through thick and thin. Please show this team your support in what you say.

Harbaugh IS an idiot...or perhaps an imbecile or moron. And while I'm not quite sure which category is medically correct in his case, I am sure that one of them is the proper medical diagnosis.

 

[dragurd]

Am I taking crazy pills? You're acting like this offense was completely dysfunctional. With a healthy Miyan they're significantly better running the ball, and were a key piece away from being dominant. I get that playcalling has been bad in stretches, but to act like missing your top 3 RBs and top WR is just something you overcome by not being cute is ridiculous.

The short passing game is much more effective with JSN's ability to get seperation and he's much more effective at making something out of nothing on screens. JSN completely changes the spacing of a defense and can move around the field to get mismatches. Play calls look much smarter when your 3rd WR is Egbuka instead of Fleming who is mostly just proficient at running streaks downfield.

JSN gives us what Fleming seemed to give us at the beginning of the year. Run after the catch ability to take a short one a pop it long and more. Plus Fleming got the dropsies the lady half the season and JSN probably would have been near Marvin drops wise.

 

[shetuck]

I don't think any of us with degrees or ties to the University are about to chuck everything into the fire after a couple of seasons which came up short somehow. Our allegiance goes much deeper than what ESPN writes or what some blowhard says on a podcast. It doesn't *really* matter how many times the football team loses to TTUN or how many potential Heisman winners or All-Americans get flipped to another program.

And... yes... Harbaugh is exactly the kind of *sshole that has rubbed his competitors the wrong way ever since recess in 3rd grade. He may be mentally defective, but he's found something that seems to be working the last couple of years. Live with it... or tune out. He wouldn't be acting any differently if he'd sh*t the bed again the last two years.

I agree with @Jaxbuck that nobody involved in the football program gives two sh*ts what anybody on this board (or any other) is saying.

I agree with @Steve19 that we need to make sure that we're conducting ourselves accordingly.

And I also think that we, as a subset of a fanbase, on a discussion board can/should be able to debate about whether we think the head of the football program has the ability to get his team fired up and ready to win games that are slug-fests. I don't think there's anything wrong or unholy about that debate. We come from different backgrounds and different schools of thought.

New owners / old owners / no bashing rules / etc., there's nothing untoward or "unbuckeyelike" with taking a critical look - laden with opinions, emotions, rants, what have you - at why Ryan Day seems to not be able to get a fire lit under his teams' asses.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I don't think any of us with degrees or ties to the University are about to chuck everything into the fire after a couple of seasons which came up short somehow. Our allegiance goes much deeper than what ESPN writes or what some blowhard says on a podcast. It doesn't *really* matter how many times the football team loses to TTUN or how many potential Heisman winners or All-Americans get flipped to another program.

And... yes... Harbaugh is exactly the kind of *sshole that has rubbed his competitors the wrong way ever since recess in 3rd grade. He may be mentally defective, but he's found something that seems to be working the last couple of years. Live with it... or tune out. He wouldn't be acting any differently if he'd sh*t the bed again the last two years.

I agree with @Jaxbuck that nobody involved in the football program gives two sh*ts what anybody on this board (or any other) is saying.

I agree with @Steve19 that we need to make sure that we're conducting ourselves accordingly.

And I also think that we, as a subset of a fanbase, on a discussion board can/should be able to debate about whether we think the head of the football program has the ability to get his team fired up and ready to win games that are slug-fests. I don't think there's anything wrong or unholy about that debate. We come from different backgrounds and different schools of thought.

New owners / old owners / no bashing rules / etc., there's nothing untoward or "unbuckeyelike" with taking a critical look - laden with opinions, emotions, rants, what have you - at why Ryan Day seems to not be able to get a fire lit under his teams' asses.

It’s always been OK to be critical if you can back things up. I think that some are doing a fine job of that. Others? Not so much.

I can’t recall the post from many years ago that demonstrated the line between bashing and being critical, but it basically came down to:

Bashing: {insert individual or group here} sucks. They ****ing suck. They should all die in a fire.

Critical: {insert individual or group here} has been disappointing this season. Their {insert behavior} has lead to {insert problem}. If they were to {insert positive change} it would result in {insert outcome}.

Some of what’s happening is a blending of the bashing and long standing acceptable critique. I’m OK with plenty of obscenities and emotion being inserted into the critical, and that’s clearly where we are for a number of people. But where the bashing without backup exists, I could personally do without.

 

[shetuck]

It’s always been OK to be critical if you can back things up. I think that some are doing a fine job of that. Others? Not so much.

I can’t recall the post from many years ago that demonstrated the line between bashing and being critical, but it basically came down to:

Bashing: {insert individual or group here} sucks. They ****ing suck. They should all die in a fire.

Critical: {insert individual or group here} has been disappointing this season. Their {insert behavior} has lead to {insert problem}. If they were to {insert positive change} it would result in {insert outcome}.

Some of what’s happening is a blending of the bashing and long standing acceptable critique. I’m OK with plenty of obscenities and emotion being inserted into the critical, and that’s clearly where we are for a number of people. But where the bashing without backup exists, I could personally do without.

For sure there's a line. I'm not sure it's always very clear, especially when some of us get caught up when the team misses out on its goals.

I'd say that the line is probably on one side or the other of "angry" talk.

So... I ask the question... to what degree is it okay (and safe) to get angry on here? And I'm talking about getting angry at a coach. I'm not talking about getting angry at a player.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Outlandish cussing a coach out is probably further than we should take things. Also, that is never acceptable for a player not breaking the law. Meaning I would stipulate to it happening if said player is beating or raping women and children. We've always been able to use common sense here but our coach hasn't ever gotten beat twice in a row by ttun on here either.
Of course coaches were fair game because they were grown men getting paid to do a job not student athletes. Fwiw

 

[Mike80]

While I agree that there were probably plays designed with JSN in mind that might not be working without him, Would CJ really be the most comfortable with him at this point? I seem to recall that when he DID try to play against Toledo and especially Iowa that the passing game look out of sync and forced in trying to go to JSN instead of taking what was there.

At this point? Maybe.

I was speaking more theoretically. You'd expect a timing and rhythm offense to look "off" when you add a new piece. It's just too bad he couldn't be healthy long enough for everything to get back in tune.

He'd absolutely help this offense out though. That two deep zone scUM fan would have been eaten alive with JSN's skillset on the field.

 

[Mike80]

Yeah, not a lot of high school kids are hanging out on message boards in 2022. They're on social media, where far worse things are said than anything posted here.

There are a ton of #FireRyanDay tweets since November 26th. That many of them also demanded Deion Sanders replace him is hilarious, though.

Sadly, as you can probably see from a lot of my posts, especially but not totally on the basketball side, this fanbase is toxic as hell.

Doesn't give Day a pass by any means, nor does any of this really matter to Gene Smith or anyone with any power in the scene, but yes, recruits and players read the absolute insanity that is pervasive on social media from "buckeye" fans....it's awful.

 

[Jake]

Outlandish cussing a coach out is probably further than we should take things. Also, that is never acceptable for a player not breaking the law. Meaning I would stipulate to it happening if said player is beating or raping women and children. We've always been able to use common sense here but our coach hasn't ever gotten beat twice in a row by ttun on here either.
Of course coaches were fair game because they were grown men getting paid to do a job not student athletes. Fwiw

I'm always more critical of a head coach than a player. These players are kids - think back to things you did or said when you were 19-20 years old. I get particularly annoyed when fans call a player a "quitter" and such when they haven't a clue about the extent of the kid's injury status.

But the head coach is a grown ass man making big money to meet the expectations of the program. Not just fan expectations, but the program's expectations. When you're a big money program the goals are high - any coach who takes that job knows it. Either he meets those goals or he is questioned. Blowing out lesser talented, and lesser financed, programs is just part of the job. It's not "good enough" when the real goals - beating TTUN, winning the B1G, competing for the NC - are not met.

Day got a Mulligan with the CFP bid. Let's see what he does with it. If it's another poor result then he's fair game for criticism, and he knows it.

 

[Onebuckfan]

At this point? Maybe.

I was speaking more theoretically. You'd expect a timing and rhythm offense to look "off" when you add a new piece. It's just too bad he couldn't be healthy long enough for everything to get back in tune.

He'd absolutely help this offense out though. That two deep zone scUM fan would have been eaten alive with JSN's skillset on the field.

Should have changed the whole plan long ago ..hoping JSN comes back is fan dreaming. Coaches should prepare for the worse long ago.

 

[Mike80]

Should have changed the whole plan long ago ..hoping JSN comes back is fan dreaming. Coaches should prepare for the worse long ago.

I don't disagree....however I am going to factor in other things like the rash of injuries in the running game and the seeming inability to establish an actual identity on offense as signs that things were tried but they didn't work out.

At least...that's my hopium. To go further with that, I "hope" the 5ish week break here will give Day and Wilson the ability to figure out an identity that will work for at least 1 game. And I'll say if I see more than 1 WR screen (I'll accept 1 because there are valid reasons to show the defense that play to make something else work off of it), my TV controller will end up embedded in my TV

 

[Onebuckfan]

I don't disagree....however I am going to factor in other things like the rash of injuries in the running game and the seeming inability to establish an actual identity on offense as signs that things were tried but they didn't work out.

At least...that's my hopium. To go further with that, I "hope" the 5ish week break here will give Day and Wilson the ability to figure out an identity that will work for at least 1 game. And I'll say if I see more than 1 WR screen (I'll accept 1 because there are valid reasons to show the defense that play to make something else work off of it), my TV controller will end up embedded in my TV

My biggest hope is a new plan based on the team we have… I hear fans calling for QB to use his legs..I just can’t see it. Throwing short to the backs is good as long as the WR are going deep enough to open things up underneath.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

For sure there's a line. I'm not sure it's always very clear, especially when some of us get caught up when the team misses out on its goals.

I'd say that the line is probably on one side or the other of "angry" talk.

So... I ask the question... to what degree is it okay (and safe) to get angry on here? And I'm talking about getting angry at a coach. I'm not talking about getting angry at a player.

I suspect your “angry talk” is the combination of critical mixed with obscenities, and I’m perfectly OK with that. I very much appreciate the critical that includes legitimate critique. I may not necessarily agree with the critique, but that’s OK. That’s what this place is for. Hell, I still don’t know who to blame for the tsun game, but the observations that people have made — and many have been very different perspectives — have given me an opportunity to sort out my feelings.

To wit: I was very much of the opinion, immediately following the game, that things were squarely on the players not executing. Through some of the critique, much blaming Day or Knowles, I’m arriving at an opinion that the two of them are as much to blame as the execution. That is to say, Knowles was playing a high risk / high reward defense and Day went conservative. If either side of the ball doesn’t execute well, that’s a recipe for disaster. If Knowles and Day get on the same page to adjust to player execution — on both sides of the ball, maybe we have a different outcome. Had there not been good discussion here, I don’t know that I would have been able to articulate that as well. To that end, I appreciate the critical eye and well appreciate the passion. It’s the ever long bitching and moaning without insight that finds people on my ignore list.