HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[Jaxbuck]

I never said they were different. I said you need a better example of a conference coach to be fearful of (ie, a better coach) than Riley. The fact that, as you say, they are similar just makes my point.

Harbaugh, Bert, Fickell and Rhule all have more HC experience and I'd put on the new list as "better". You have Chip Kelley and Lincoln Riley headed inbound year after next.

If parsing that down to maybe he's better than Riley, maybe he's not instills a lot of confidence in anyone about Day then to each their own.

I personally don't think the Ohio State coach should be fighting for 5th or 6th place on a best coaches in the new B1G list.

 

[Jake]

I never said they were different. I said you need a better example of a conference coach to be fearful of (ie, a better coach) than Riley. The fact that, as you say, they are similar just makes my point.

USC was 4-8 last season. Lincoln Riley shows up, attracts new players, and goes 11-2 in year one.

Ryan Day has never had to turn around a down program. He was handed the keys to a Lamborghini.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Where I’m at is I trust our coaches it’s just I don’t believe what they say..for example Day about injuries, Larry about his group. Et Al.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Harbaugh, Bert, Fickell and Rhule all have more HC experience and I'd put on the new list as "better". You have Chip Kelley and Lincoln Riley headed inbound year after next.

If parsing that down to maybe he's better than Riley, maybe he's not instills a lot of confidence in anyone about Day then to each their own.

I personally don't think the Ohio State coach should be fighting for 5th or 6th place on a best coaches in the new B1G list.

Bielema? You can't be serious. He hasn't won more than 8 games since 2011. Fickell hasn't won shit in the postseason. Did his best lil' Coop performance against Georgia in '20. Only bowl wins are over 2 .500 ACC teams. Harbaugh? Say what you want about Day, but no one is a better Cooper than Harbaugh. Has one bowl win, finally got a division title in year 7 and then got turned inside out in the CFP. Rhule had a few good years at a mid major and then turned around Baylor. In his best year he neither won the conference nor the bowl game. Riley's crowning achievements are Heismans and winning exactly nothing in the post season.

Day has a lot to work on. Any losing streak to TTUN is unacceptable, and he's yet to deliver on a NC. His seat is getting hot, but if we're going to be scathingly honest, we have to do it for everyone. The only coaches that can come in and clearly do better than Day are Saban, Smart, and maybe Dabo.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Bielema? You can't be serious. He hasn't won more than 8 games since 2011. Fickell hasn't won shit in the postseason. Did his best lil' Coop performance against Georgia in '20. Only bowl wins are over 2 .500 ACC teams. Harbaugh? Say what you want about Day, but no one is a better Cooper than Harbaugh. Has one bowl win, finally got a division title in year 7 and then got turned inside out in the CFP. Rhule had a few good years at a mid major and then turned around Baylor. In his best year he neither won the conference nor the bowl game. Riley's crowning achievements are Heismans and winning exactly nothing in the post season.

Day has a lot to work on. Any losing streak to TTUN is unacceptable, and he's yet to deliver on a NC. His seat is getting hot, but if we're going to be scathingly honest, we have to do it for everyone. The only coaches that can come in and clearly do better than Day are Saban, Smart, and maybe Dabo.

Bielema and everyone else had to actually come in, take over someone else's mess and improve it. The Ghost Runner was placed on 3rd base, handed the keys to the machine and asked not to wreck it.

You have no idea how he would have performed at Illinois or how Bielema would have performed at OSU if roles were switched.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

USC was 4-8 last season. Lincoln Riley shows up, attracts new players, and goes 11-2 in year one.

Ryan Day has never had to turn around a down program. He was handed the keys to a Lamborghini.

This seems like an oversimplification. If Ryan Day was the kind of POS to randomly bail on Ohio State out of nowhere, then steal the future Heisman winner from Ohio State and take him to a shit 4-8 school with the prestige of USC.....I'm sure he also could have found a way to lose 2 games in the shitty Pac12.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Bielema and everyone else had to actually come in, take over someone else's mess and improve it. The Ghost Runner was placed on 3rd base, handed the keys to the machine and asked not to wreck it.

You have no idea how he would have performed at Illinois or how Bielema would have performed at OSU if roles were switched.

No, I don't know how Day would've done, but I know how Bielema has done and it's very average. He's a journeyman coach who's best seasons are a decade old. It's a terrible example.

I can't disprove a negative, but I've watched football long enough to know that very few coaches can come in and win 11+ games on autopilot. This is the same arguments people made against Tressel and Meyer, and every fanbase makes when their coach has a good not great season. "Anyone can win 10+ games with this talent". It's obviously not true.

You could be right, Day could fall flat on his face and start going 8-4, but right now I'm not seeing any proof that he will. He's come up short, but he's also figured out how to steer teams around COVID and major injuries.

 

[Jaxbuck]

No, I don't know how Day would've done, but I know how Bielema has done and it's very average. He's a journeyman coach who's best seasons are a decade old. It's a terrible example.

I can't disprove a negative, but I've watched football long enough to know that very few coaches can come in and win 11+ games on autopilot. This is the same arguments people made against Tressel and Meyer, and every fanbase makes when their coach has a good not great season. "Anyone can win 10+ games with this talent". It's obviously not true.

You could be right, Day could fall flat on his face and start going 8-4, but right now I'm not seeing any proof that he will. He's come up short, but he's also figured out how to steer teams around COVID and major injuries.

Bielema just came closer to beating tsun with Illinois talent than Day did with OSU talent.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Bielema just came closer to beating tsun with Illinois talent than Day did with OSU talent.

Troy's head coach came far closer to beating Clemson in 2016 than OSU did. Means nothing.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Day built this team to be a bad match up for most teams, proven successful. The issue is the counter to that which is the teams that are a bad match up for us, being that team up north and skilled, smash-mouth football teams. You get consistent 10 to 12 win seasons but anxiety for the Game. This is where we are. The angst is about how to become a bad match up for ttun. In doing so there will be a new bad match up for us which may decrease the total number of wins each year. Also unacceptable. It's pick your poison time for Coach Day and I believe he's already picked it.
We're built for these playoffs. How good we play is now, and in future, dependent on the QB abs hire many turnovers the Defense can get. The low end of that just happened against our bad match up and here comes another one.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Troy's head coach came far closer to beating Clemson in 2016 than OSU did. Means nothing.

It means that the OSU coach at the time had a track record so we had context around the loss and what it meant about him.

Day lacks that kind of record. The comp that I am most scared of is Larry Coker, who by the way, proved that an inept head coach could indeed take over a program with enough talent to keep it running...until it didn't. The cracks started to show against teams that could punch back and then the wheels fell off. Day isn't that bad but that's what I fear. A total collapse into 9-3 land.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

It means that the OSU coach at the time had a track record so we had context around the loss and what it meant about him.

Day lacks that kind of record. The comp that I am most scared of is Larry Coker, who by the way, proved that an inept head coach could indeed take over a program with enough talent to keep it running...until it didn't. The cracks started to show against teams that could punch back and then the wheels fell off. Day isn't that bad but that's what I fear. A total collapse into 9-3 land.

You're taking the lack of a track record and filling it in with being a shitty coach, though.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

Harbaugh, Bert, Fickell and Rhule all have more HC experience and I'd put on the new list as "better". You have Chip Kelley and Lincoln Riley headed inbound year after next.

If parsing that down to maybe he's better than Riley, maybe he's not instills a lot of confidence in anyone about Day then to each their own.

I personally don't think the Ohio State coach should be fighting for 5th or 6th place on a best coaches in the new B1G list.

Agree with that

Thanks for using better examples, the coaching level in the conference seems to be trending up. Farentz will still win a few more CCOY though.

Riley is in a similar spot to Day

Interesting times.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You're taking the lack of a track record and filling it in with being a shitty coach, though.

I don't know that he's shitty, I don't know that he isn't. I see a pattern formed all the way back to the Fiesta Bowl in '19 in which Days offense sputters in the redzone and instead of getting out to a fast start he finds himself in a fight. Once something goes wrong in that fight he, and his team, don't recover well. The team was still good enough to bail him out in '19 save the bad calls but the pattern is there when he plays better quality teams and it played out horrifically the past two editions of The Game.

No one knew Coker was as bad as he was until it happened. We don't know how bad Day is either but the pattern is there and people should be concerned.

 

[zbuck]

Bielema just came closer to beating tsun with Illinois talent than Day did with OSU talent.

At TSUN's place and not the Shoe ....