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Sure, but posting your dreams on this site usually doesn't end well for the poster.
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Sure, but posting your dreams on this site usually doesn't end well for the poster.
scarletngrey11
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harvdog, you continue to show how mature you are, im done with the insults because this thread is susposed to be game discusion and only that, but you keep coming at me, grow the hell up, learn how to stop running your fucking mouth.
you obviously have a lower IQ than anyone else on this site, try to not show the drop off that much, ok?
you obviously have a lower IQ than anyone else on this site, try to not show the drop off that much, ok?
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Buckeye7OKC
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Great post Oiler, but Stoops is not 0-2 in Big XII Championship Games. They beat Colorado. They also won it in 2000 on their way to the NC game. Everything else was accurate though.
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scarletngrey11
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steve, pretty much the same thing i said, lets see if he hits you with a little pussy insult like he did to me.
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BrutusBobcat
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After following this thread for nine months or so, it's sad to see it in a state of some deterioration at what should be it's best point.
In an attempt to get things back on track, let's go back over a few issues that have been discussed that I think we have new insight on after the first week's games:
- OSU's running game. It appears that Haw and Wells will not be major factors for this weekend, and that the bulk of carries will be taken by Pittman and Schnittker. Against Miami's admittedly overmatched d-line, both AP and BS performed well, held on to the ball, and showed more than adequate moves, power and vision. Given the unmitigated disaster that the OSU running game was last season, this is a definite plus. I'm not sure that either are headed for All B10 honors or anything, but the Buckeyes will not be hanging around the bottom of the conference in rushing yardage.
- The Ginn effect. Miami showed that you can game plan for Ginn, but that only opens up the opportunities for Holmes, Gonzales, Hall, Pittman and company. It was good to see Hall and Gonzo get their share of touches, which makes the spread a real threat. A defense HAS to cover all of the guys out in a pattern because they can all get open and make catches. Not to get the QB debate going in yet another thread, but Zwick did show that he can execute the spread and get the ball distributed to all of his receivers.
- OSU's D-line. Throughout this thread, the edge has been given to Texas, and we don't have any reason to change that breakdown. OSU's DL looks improved over last season, and combined with the new blitz packages and more aggressive schemes the defense overall is getting more pressure to the QB. Facing the Texas OL will be a very different task from facing Miami's, so this is still one of the key battles to watch.
- The Texas special teams versus Ohio State. Horns fans have been assuring us that Texas was working hard on ST, and most of those debates have been focused on punt and kick coverage for Texas. It's hard to glean much out of the Louisiana-Lafayette game, but it is glaring the issues Texas had with placekicking. Josh Huston, on the other hand, had a perfect re-debut placekicking, and showed very good leg strength on kickoffs. OSU didn't do anything particularly special on kick or punt returns, and showed an uncharacteristic problem, with both Ginn and Jenkins failing to take care of the football. Fans on both sides may have been a bit optimistic. Another question mark for the Buckeyes was RS Frosh punter AJ Trapasso, who had a solid start to his career this past weekend. Certainly moreso than the kid for Miami.
- OSU's O-line. One of the main improvements last season that fans and analysts have pointed to for Ohio State was the reshuffling of the OL mid-season. The progress continues this year, as the OL played a fundamentally very sound game against Miami. Particularly notable was the lack of penalties for a season opening game. Both QBs were well-protected, the RBs had the designed holes to run through (blocking on Schnittker's TD was excellent), and the number of obvious missed assignments were minimal. Again, we've been giving Texas the nod here, and that probably hasn't changed. What CAN be said is that this line is ready to play and looking better than it has in years.
- OSU's boundary corner. No news is good news. :) I personally have some concerns about OSU's secondary depth, given how Miami moved the ball on the 2's and 3's late in the game. Underwood seemed to be out of position on a couple of plays, and was beaten badly on at least one that I can remember.
- The Texas WR corps. From the ULL recaps, it sounds like there were some dropped passes and new names. We've been hearing a lot from Horns fans about Jordan Shipley and Quan Cosby, but not so much anymore. A big receiver like Sweed (he's 6'5", right?) is always a good target, but it really doesn't sound like at this point that UT has a cupboard full of downfield threats. I'm sure they'll get some catches, but I expect that Vince Young's big plays will come on the ground and not in the air.
- The value of playing Miami versus playing ULL. Some of those wearing burnt-orange glasses have dismissed the Redhawks as being no better than ULL, however, most realistic and knowledgeable fans will agree that if you can dodge the look-ahead upset bug that you're better off playing a higher caliber mid-major than a team which normally battles at the bottom of D1A. The schedule is what it is, and both teams made the most of their home openers. Texas and OSU both played a lot of their depth and got to look at their younger players in game situations. Neither Miami nor ULL presents anything approximating the challenge of this week's game, so some of the distinction is overstated. If anything, the Buckeyes showed more of their playbook than did the Longhorns, which has the upside of executing new plays and schemes in a real game and the downside of showing it on film. Neither team fell to any major injuries, which is a plus. Overall, I think that OSU learns more from their opener than UT does.
In an attempt to get things back on track, let's go back over a few issues that have been discussed that I think we have new insight on after the first week's games:
- OSU's running game. It appears that Haw and Wells will not be major factors for this weekend, and that the bulk of carries will be taken by Pittman and Schnittker. Against Miami's admittedly overmatched d-line, both AP and BS performed well, held on to the ball, and showed more than adequate moves, power and vision. Given the unmitigated disaster that the OSU running game was last season, this is a definite plus. I'm not sure that either are headed for All B10 honors or anything, but the Buckeyes will not be hanging around the bottom of the conference in rushing yardage.
- The Ginn effect. Miami showed that you can game plan for Ginn, but that only opens up the opportunities for Holmes, Gonzales, Hall, Pittman and company. It was good to see Hall and Gonzo get their share of touches, which makes the spread a real threat. A defense HAS to cover all of the guys out in a pattern because they can all get open and make catches. Not to get the QB debate going in yet another thread, but Zwick did show that he can execute the spread and get the ball distributed to all of his receivers.
- OSU's D-line. Throughout this thread, the edge has been given to Texas, and we don't have any reason to change that breakdown. OSU's DL looks improved over last season, and combined with the new blitz packages and more aggressive schemes the defense overall is getting more pressure to the QB. Facing the Texas OL will be a very different task from facing Miami's, so this is still one of the key battles to watch.
- The Texas special teams versus Ohio State. Horns fans have been assuring us that Texas was working hard on ST, and most of those debates have been focused on punt and kick coverage for Texas. It's hard to glean much out of the Louisiana-Lafayette game, but it is glaring the issues Texas had with placekicking. Josh Huston, on the other hand, had a perfect re-debut placekicking, and showed very good leg strength on kickoffs. OSU didn't do anything particularly special on kick or punt returns, and showed an uncharacteristic problem, with both Ginn and Jenkins failing to take care of the football. Fans on both sides may have been a bit optimistic. Another question mark for the Buckeyes was RS Frosh punter AJ Trapasso, who had a solid start to his career this past weekend. Certainly moreso than the kid for Miami.
- OSU's O-line. One of the main improvements last season that fans and analysts have pointed to for Ohio State was the reshuffling of the OL mid-season. The progress continues this year, as the OL played a fundamentally very sound game against Miami. Particularly notable was the lack of penalties for a season opening game. Both QBs were well-protected, the RBs had the designed holes to run through (blocking on Schnittker's TD was excellent), and the number of obvious missed assignments were minimal. Again, we've been giving Texas the nod here, and that probably hasn't changed. What CAN be said is that this line is ready to play and looking better than it has in years.
- OSU's boundary corner. No news is good news. :) I personally have some concerns about OSU's secondary depth, given how Miami moved the ball on the 2's and 3's late in the game. Underwood seemed to be out of position on a couple of plays, and was beaten badly on at least one that I can remember.
- The Texas WR corps. From the ULL recaps, it sounds like there were some dropped passes and new names. We've been hearing a lot from Horns fans about Jordan Shipley and Quan Cosby, but not so much anymore. A big receiver like Sweed (he's 6'5", right?) is always a good target, but it really doesn't sound like at this point that UT has a cupboard full of downfield threats. I'm sure they'll get some catches, but I expect that Vince Young's big plays will come on the ground and not in the air.
- The value of playing Miami versus playing ULL. Some of those wearing burnt-orange glasses have dismissed the Redhawks as being no better than ULL, however, most realistic and knowledgeable fans will agree that if you can dodge the look-ahead upset bug that you're better off playing a higher caliber mid-major than a team which normally battles at the bottom of D1A. The schedule is what it is, and both teams made the most of their home openers. Texas and OSU both played a lot of their depth and got to look at their younger players in game situations. Neither Miami nor ULL presents anything approximating the challenge of this week's game, so some of the distinction is overstated. If anything, the Buckeyes showed more of their playbook than did the Longhorns, which has the upside of executing new plays and schemes in a real game and the downside of showing it on film. Neither team fell to any major injuries, which is a plus. Overall, I think that OSU learns more from their opener than UT does.
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scarletngrey11
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great post man, this is what the thread is all about(should be). i agree with you on everything.
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Oiler, that's a great post, and the matchup call look dead-on to me. I guess it's not a coincidence that the prediction I've posted in the game preview thread was also 23-17, tOSU.
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Speaking of toning things down, Oiler just posted an excellent unit-vs-unit review in the 'Reasonable Expectations' thread. Definitely worth a look.
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FMI
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I think Tressel will put Ginn at QB for the first play just to piss off everyone who is adamant about a particular QB starting. Then TS and JZ will be in the backfield on the second play. TS gets the direct snap at the halfback position.
You gotta love the "controversy". Is that how you spell "controversy"?
You gotta love the "controversy". Is that how you spell "controversy"?
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BrutusBobcat
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What bothers me every time we do these breakdowns is that we give Texas the edge on both line battles. It's hard to lose in the trenches and win a game like this. Either one (or both) of their lines needs to underperform, or one (or both) of ours needs to overachieve, IMO.
I liked the improvement we saw on both the OL and the DL this week. It's my hope that both of our lines come out and play better than advertised, and I think they will.
Great post, btw! :cheers:
I liked the improvement we saw on both the OL and the DL this week. It's my hope that both of our lines come out and play better than advertised, and I think they will.
Great post, btw! :cheers:
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