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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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jwinslow said:
Tressel recently said in his presser that if they notice Santonio is in single coverage, we have to get him the ball. This will not change. He is our #1 threat. He will be guarded by your #1 DB. If you fail to do this, then your DC is quite stupid.

Ginn is a freak, but Santonio is the best speed WR out there right now.

Good luck to your other CBs trying to cover Ginn and Gonzalez at WR. Good luck to your LBs trying to cover Roy Hall (a hybrid WR/TE, up to 255 so he can play as a 3rd down TE). We'll be nice and not even bring Dukes into the equation, who has just as much potential as your unproven guys like Shipley.
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Piling on now, Josh?
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
Piling on now, Josh?
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Heh, replied during your post... but sure, piling on is fair game as the 10th draws near.

I think Texas can bring a little more pressure than UM did (you sure better bring more than 3 guys)... but our OL strength is definitely pass blocking. And if they can give TS enough time, combined with TS' ability to buy an extra second or two... and your zone is gonna have some holes in it with our team speed.

Were you implying man to man with safety help, HL?
 
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I'm not sure he was implying much of anything... I just started down this line when he said TGII wasn't a "deep Threat"... I realize he meant in the mold of...say Randy Moss... where you can jsut have him out jump the DB's.... but I wanted to point out that the "threat remains"... then I got onto the idea that the Safeties will need to stay back.
 
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ok i have done some asking around from my auburn friends and people i trust at texas and here is what i have come up with. Chizik is a cover 2 coach by nature, he also loves to preasure the QB. Like any coach he would prefer to do this by using his front four and stunts often. At auburn they had a very fast defense and he was able to sit back in the cover two shell while his lineman wreaked havok on the oposing qb. We do not have that kind of a pass rush yet but they showed promise at the end of the year against atm.

akak - i think you understand what i ment when i said ginn was not a deep threat, certainly he has great speed but Tressel would much rather complete a high percentage pass and then just sit and watch the show.

jwin - I am not a fan of the man under style of defense you are refering too. Every zone has holes in it, but i would rather take a chance of zwick finding holes against our very experienced secondary than i would play man to man. The moment we go to straight man(or man free) we take the experience factor out and replace it with athlete vs. athlete. We have a very fast secondary that is talented, but why even give guys like holmes and ginn a chance to just out-athlete you.
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
I'm not sure he was implying much of anything... I just started down this line when he said TGII wasn't a "deep Threat"... I realize he meant in the mold of...say Randy Moss... where you can jsut have him out jump the DB's.... but I wanted to point out that the "threat remains"... then I got onto the idea that the Safeties will need to stay back.
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hmmm... before im willing to dub ginn a "deep threat" we first need to prove we have a qb with the armstrength to hit him in stride. i can't see how anyone could argue we have done that yet. to date jz was the closest to hitting him on a deep ball in the alamo bowl but it was underthrown.
 
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martinss01 said:
hmmm... before im willing to dub ginn a "deep threat" we first need to prove we have a qb with the armstrength to hit him in stride. i can't see how anyone could argue we have done that yet. to date jz was the closest to hitting him on a deep ball in the alamo bowl but it was underthrown.
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Zwick had that hammy in the Alamo Bowl, which hampered his motion for the long pass. Zwick can indeed throw the ball deep with accuracy. Check his 80-yard TD against Marshall. Granted, he didn't do it often, but the ability is indeed there.
 
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martinss01 said:
hmmm... before im willing to dub ginn a "deep threat" we first need to prove we have a qb with the armstrength to hit him in stride. i can't see how anyone could argue we have done that yet. to date jz was the closest to hitting him on a deep ball in the alamo bowl but it was underthrown.
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All I'm goin to say is that if opponents want to take to the idea that its okay to let Ginn run around loose behind their safeties because they don't think the QB can hit him... I say let them... I'll take my chances.
 
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"We do not have that kind of a pass rush yet but they showed promise at the end of the year against atm."

We also showed promise in the spring. The lack of a rush last year had more to do with the conservative line play preferred by Coach Robinson. Chizik is letting the guys loose, so I expect the A&M game will be more typical of the lines performance next year. I don't think we will blitz much, or even need to against most teams.

While I agree that it sounds like cover 2 will be our base coverage, I have heard a lot about how he likes to to be more agressive in it than we have been in the past. But with our Co-DC Akina coaching the DBs, I really don't expect much change, meaning that our zone will be vulnerable at times.

If you are interested in UT practice reports next week, I can post them here. Otherwise you can read my reports on hornfans.com under my RayDog user name.
 
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I have a question for Texas fans now that they have brought up Chizik. What defensive coordinator wouldn't have done well with Auburns defense last year? I could have coached those guys to a SEC title. Texas fans act like this guys magical wand gave the Auburn defense the ability to play:roll2: . The guy had a loaded team in 2004...if hes so damned good why did they have 4-5 losses the year before. The answer is they were young in 2003 and matured in 2004...hmm kinda sounds like the Buckeyes this year. The coach might have played a small role in Auburns success but the more likely reason is talent.

Don't talk smack about Zwick. Our second string QB tore Okie St. a new ass. When your beating a team with a "vaunted B12 offense" 33-0 with your back-up QB with a hammy pull thats pretty damn impressive. Zwick has been bashed by Buckeyes and outsiders alike. The Alamo Bowl made me respect Justin alot more especially after he knocked that DT on his ass on the Ginn end around.

What RB does Texas have this year better than Vernand Morency? What WR's does Texas have better than Pretiss Hill and DuJuan Woods? Don't say Shipley because thats complete B.S. We shut down Mrency who racked up over 1400 yards rushing and Woods was 2nd team B12 last year. BTW Bejama didn't do squat against our linebackers. I suggest you watch the Alamo Bowl and see the domination. Okie St. put up 35 on Texas and Okie.
 
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mili and aka, ginn has ran many a deep pattern. he has yet to make a single reception. i can't bash vy for not proving to be a consistant passer while dubbing ginn a deep threat even though he has never caught a deep ball now can i?
 
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martinss01 said:
mili and aka, ginn has ran many a deep pattern. he has yet to make a single reception. i can't bash vy for not proving to be a consistant passer while dubbing ginn a deep threat even though he has never caught a deep ball now can i?
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Hard to catch the ball when to QBs don't get it to you.
 
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I have a question for Texas fans now that they have brought up Chizik. What defensive coordinator wouldn't have done well with Auburns defense last year? I could have coached those guys to a SEC title. Texas fans act like this guys magical wand gave the Auburn defense the ability to play . The guy had a loaded team in 2004...if hes so damned good why did they have 4-5 losses the year before. The answer is they were young in 2003 and matured in 2004...hmm kinda sounds like the Buckeyes this year. The coach might have played a small role in Auburns success but the more likely reason is talent.
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Do you propose that we should have gone after a coach with less qualifications? I don't know what other coaches would have done with that team, but he did great. He won the asistant coach of the year award and can at least be comended for not screwing the AU job up. He is inheriting an extreamly talented group at texas and it is our hope that he brings the same fire and agressiveness to austin. I don't think that anyone in this thread had tried to make him sound like the greatest coach ever but we are certainly not going to degrade him because of his UNDEFEATED SEASON. Next time we need a coordinator maybe we should just go hire the least qualified guy out there. Are you saying that you don't think that he would be up to your standards for a DC at tOSU?
 
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2002UNC said:
I have a question for Texas fans now that they have brought up Chizik. What defensive coordinator wouldn't have done well with Auburns defense last year? I could have coached those guys to a SEC title. Texas fans act like this guys magical wand gave the Auburn defense the ability to play:roll2: . The guy had a loaded team in 2004...if hes so damned good why did they have 4-5 losses the year before. The answer is they were young in 2003 and matured in 2004...hmm kinda sounds like the Buckeyes this year. The coach might have played a small role in Auburns success but the more likely reason is talent.
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That will be fine considering we have a lot of talent as well. I can't speak for the other Horns fans, but I brought him earlier up as a bit of a question mark, as Texas will now have yet another Defensive Coordinator (3 in 3 years). If you read some of the earlier threads it was discussed how Robinson's style differed. Of course Chizik said that he wouldnt change things much and Akina is still around to leave somewhat of an imprint from Robinson/Tomey, but at least he knew what to do with the talent that he had. And a couple of years ago Auburn's offense couldn't score in their losses, which had a lot more to do with the losses than the defense.

I have not watched the Alamo Bowl, but plan on watching the thread, and I was not all that impressed with OklaSt as a team last year, but I did see from the box score that you guys put a beat down on them. But lets face it, the OkieState Cowboys were in the Alamo bowl for a reason, they were not the cream of the Big XII.

I think everyone on the Horns staff knows that if you let Ginn get open, somebody should have been able to work on timing his fly pattern over the off season, whether it be Zwick, Smith, or Ginn throwing it to himself on a double pass.
 
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christ almighty im ready to vomit, you guys might be worse than michigan fans

we beat the hell out of ok st., so your gonna come over here and bitch about how they arent a good team? or "the cream of the crop of the big 12", you know what thats fine w/ me, then stop using it as an example of how well vince young can play
 
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