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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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I think I've got XRay figured out. He's an idiot. He's convinced because UT averages around 38 points every year that must be what the score in every game right? What he fails to realize is that when you hang 60 and 70 on Baylor Rice and North Texas and the other smucks on the UT schedule every year there has to be other teams to bring the average back down. Such as Oklahoma and tOSU.
He sees that 38 and plugs it into every game like its clockwork. Yeah Blow hard into a breathalizer and bring up the .20 stat.
 
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What I think other unknowledgeable fans, trying to use the fact that tOSU has lost "too many games" on the road, in the last couple of seasons is the fact that three of the losses were in '04, when it was pretty much a re-building season with the Troy/Zwick battle for the starting job raging. We went through a period there, when we flat-out sucked. To be quite honest, we were not a very good team, then, and tOSU didn't develop to its full potential until the Michigan game, where apparently something went off.

Also, in '03, the Wisconsin game was pretty much decided on Gamble's gamble, after biting on Stocco's long-bomb. It was our first loss since the '02 Outback Bowl against South Carolina, and with the way we played close games, I personally saw it as a wake-up call that we weren't going to be able to get by on close games, every time.

Then, the Michigan game, Perry was just too much to handle. I think we may have went into the Big House a little too overconfident with aspirations of a National Title, and it came back and kicked the team in the face. That game was probably our worst home defeat, aside of the '04 Iowa game.

Lastly, Penn State was obviously a pretty solid team, and this game was (what I believe to be) the end of the old Troy Smith.

I'm not making any excuses at all; a loss is a loss. But I believe that people try to find flaws and miscues in a good team to try and bring them down to the opponents' level.
 
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Mr. Clutch said:
Then, the Michigan game, Perry was just too much to handle. I think we may have went into the Big House a little too overconfident with aspirations of a National Title, and it came back and kicked the team in the face.
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I think it had more to do with us not having our starting MLB playing and thus not being as cohesive against the run (IIRC)...
 
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Mr. Clutch said:
What I think other unknowledgeable fans, trying to use the fact that tOSU has lost "too many games" on the road, in the last couple of seasons is the fact that three of the losses were in '04, when it was pretty much a re-building season with the Troy/Zwick battle for the starting job raging. We went through a period there, when we flat-out sucked. To be quite honest, we were not a very good team, then, and tOSU didn't develop to its full potential until the Michigan game, where apparently something went off.

Also, in '03, the Wisconsin game was pretty much decided on Gamble's gamble, after biting on Stocco's long-bomb. It was our first loss since the '02 Outback Bowl against South Carolina, and with the way we played close games, I personally saw it as a wake-up call that we weren't going to be able to get by on close games, every time.

Then, the Michigan game, Perry was just too much to handle. I think we may have went into the Big House a little too overconfident with aspirations of a National Title, and it came back and kicked the team in the face. That game was probably our worst home defeat, aside of the '04 Iowa game.

Lastly, Penn State was obviously a pretty solid team, and this game was (what I believe to be) the end of the old Troy Smith.

I'm not making any excuses at all; a loss is a loss. But I believe that people try to find flaws and miscues in a good team to try and bring them down to the opponents' level.
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With all due respect, those certainly sound like excuses. Down here, the sad truth is, we lost our games cause we sucked. The team was soft, gave up, made stupid errors, wasn't conditioned enough, and the coaches played big games not to lose. VY taught the school how to win. I hope we didn't forget the lessons.
 
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footballfanatic said:
With all due respect, those certainly sound like excuses.
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The question was why did Ohio State have the 12-6 road record over four years, the answers have been repeated by a number of people in this thread. There are specific plays or sequences that us fans remember that were the tipping point in those games.
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Down here, the sad truth is, we lost our games cause we sucked. The team was soft, gave up, made stupid errors, wasn't conditioned enough, and the coaches played big games not to lose.
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I can say that Ohio State wasn't good enough to win those six games that they lost on the road, but I don't really believe that the team ever sucked -- that's too harsh, especially applied to the team as a whole. The 2001 season was torpedoed by bad special teams, 2003 by the Maurice Clarett suspension, and 2004 was a rebuilding year. Of the six games listed, five of them were in doubt up to the final quarter, four of them were even tied in the fourth quarter.

Those aren't excuses, those are the explanations.
 
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footballfanatic said:
With all due respect, those certainly sound like excuses. Down here, the sad truth is, we lost our games cause we sucked. The team was soft, gave up, made stupid errors, wasn't conditioned enough, and the coaches played big games not to lose. VY taught the school how to win. I hope we didn't forget the lessons.
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Isn't that the truth.

Trying to remember the last time tOSU was soft.........
 
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footballfanatic said:
With all due respect, those certainly sound like excuses. Down here, the sad truth is, we lost our games cause we sucked. The team was soft, gave up, made stupid errors, wasn't conditioned enough, and the coaches played big games not to lose. VY taught the school how to win. I hope we didn't forget the lessons.
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I don't know if I really agree with this. I know that the critics said we were soft and not conditioned enough but I am not really buying it. Most/all of this talk stemmed from our losing streak to ou. First off, ou was a very good team those five years, and in a couple of years were flat out dominant. We were still a ten win team most of those years. Hard to say that ten win teams suck. What I will say, that you mentioned as well, is that Texas was very uptight and played not to lose. they allowed the pressure to get to them and things would snowball. Maybe the great Ohio State qb Shane Falco said it best, " We were caught in the quicksand"
 
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To be sure, there is a fine line between excuse and analysis. Still, of those road loses, the only games where I feel OSU "sucked" was Iowa (obviously) and Northwestern. Ohio State should never lose to Northwestern.... (An opinion of mine held in no small part because in my 35 years, Ohio State has lost to Northwestern 2 times (1971 and 2004)).

Edit - I suppose I could say OSU sucked against PSU last year as well. Some of OSU's execution problems were certainly PSU, but I also believe a lot of it was just a poor, poor game from Troy (Not getting open WRs the ball, etc.)
 
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I was just helping to point out a reason on why Mack's away record is only slightly better than Tressel's 12-6 mark if at all. When you never play your best opponent year in and year out on the road you tend to get less road losses.

Edit: I know it wasn't you HL that pointed out Tressel's 12-6.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
I was just helping to point out a reason on why Mack's away record is only slightly better than Tressel's 12-6 mark if at all. When you never play your best opponent year in and year out on the road you tend to get less road losses.

Edit: I know it wasn't you HL that pointed out Tressel's 12-6.
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I thought the entire point was brought up because tOSU was on the road this year, making Mack's road record irrelevant this year, I guess people are pointing to Mack's road record coming into last year's game as a reason why it shouldn't apply to JT this year? Anyway, I rarely look at trends, sometimes in betting if I don't have anything else to go on, but JT's road record with a completely different team has no effect on this year's team, unless people think that it has a psychological factor on the players. However, from what I have seen from JT, I don't think he will have a problem having his players ready and expecting to win the game in September.
 
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