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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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High Lonesome said:
I don't know if I really agree with this. I know that the critics said we were soft and not conditioned enough but I am not really buying it. Most/all of this talk stemmed from our losing streak to ou. First off, ou was a very good team those five years, and in a couple of years were flat out dominant. We were still a ten win team most of those years. Hard to say that ten win teams suck. What I will say, that you mentioned as well, is that Texas was very uptight and played not to lose. they allowed the pressure to get to them and things would snowball. Maybe the great Ohio State qb Shane Falco said it best, " We were caught in the quicksand"
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I'm afraid the eveidence is that for many years, UT has been "soft." Soft doesn't always refer to a physical state. It can be a mental state of mind. Look at upsets in Holiday bowls to inferior Pac 10 squads. Lost homes games to a marginal Arkansas team, horrific blowouts against OU, (when the talent pool was even) where the team flatly gave up in the second half. Fans could sense the team not being completely sold on itself, and expected the losses. That is my defintion of being soft.
 
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footballfanatic said:
I'm afraid the eveidence is that for many years, UT has been "soft." Soft doesn't always refer to a physical state. It can be a mental state of mind. Look at upsets in Holiday bowls to inferior Pac 10 squads. Lost homes games to a marginal Arkansas team, horrific blowouts against OU, (when the talent pool was even) where the team flatly gave up in the second half. Fans could sense the team not being completely sold on itself, and expected the losses. That is my defintion of being soft.
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Like i said before, you are not the first to label them soft and I doubt you will be the last. Hower, in my opinion it is a misnomer

1.) The Holiday bowl has a history of being a let down bowl. The favorites often are not happy to be there, feeling that they have been slighted, and facing a team that is comming in hot and hungry to prove they can play with anyone. It makes for a very tough matchup every year

2.) That was a talented arkansas team that had not played texas in a while, their most hated rival. Bad loss but not because we were soft

3.) the blow outs vs. ou were a combination of many things, not the least of which was superior talent and refusing to go down field.

again, you are welcome to call them what you want, but to me they were not soft. A soft team doesn't win 9,10,11 games in a year. I think they were uptight and unprepared....

to me, the perfect example of a soft team would be baylor pre-morris....they just flat out didn't play hard. At least now they put up a fight






edit: I'll give you that we looked soft in the second ou blowout, but 1 game in 5/6 years doesn't make a team soft. Teams lose games, it happens and being "soft" is not normally the reason
 
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HLonesome: Us Bucks know all about let-downs. Well over a decade ago, Bucks lost to Air Force in bowl game...first time in my long Buckeye life that I saw us quit before game ended. It was pitiful and remains a painful memory for many of us to this day. As is the case in these games (imo), it's the coaching leadership that sets the stage for spirit debacles.
 
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SanClementeBuck said:
HLonesome: Us Bucks know all about let-downs. Well over a decade ago, Bucks lost to Air Force in bowl game...first time in my long Buckeye life that I saw us quit before game ended. It was pitiful and remains a painful memory for many of us to this day. As is the case in these games (imo), it's the coaching leadership that sets the stage for spirit debacles.
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If there ever was a time to decline a bowl invitation, that would have been it. That team had no interest in being in the Liberty Bowl. It was shameful. :shake:
 
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Speaking of Baylor, I graduated from high school with their starting QB, Shawn Bell, and loved to see him pull the upset of A&M in 04 and was heartbroken when they couldn't knock off OU in 2OT or A&M in OT last year. Shawn and Guy Morris have done absolute wonders with that program. If they had won at either Norman or CS and gotten into a bowl game, Guy Morris and Mack should have shared the COTY award.

Speaking of bowl game coaching, isn't it nice being the in Tressel Era now and never having to worry about a team being prepared to play again? I highly doubt Cooper would have led the Bucks to a 33-7 whoopin of the phony OSU in the Alamo Bowl.
 
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High Lonesome said:
Like i said before, you are not the first to label them soft and I doubt you will be the last. Hower, in my opinion it is a misnomer

1.) The Holiday bowl has a history of being a let down bowl. The favorites often are not happy to be there, feeling that they have been slighted, and facing a team that is comming in hot and hungry to prove they can play with anyone. It makes for a very tough matchup every year

2.) That was a talented arkansas team that had not played texas in a while, their most hated rival. Bad loss but not because we were soft

3.) the blow outs vs. ou were a combination of many things, not the least of which was superior talent and refusing to go down field.

again, you are welcome to call them what you want, but to me they were not soft. A soft team doesn't win 9,10,11 games in a year. I think they were uptight and unprepared....

to me, the perfect example of a soft team would be baylor pre-morris....they just flat out didn't play hard. At least now they put up a fight
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Holiday Bowl--These guys play 11-12 games a year, and they go into a nationally televised game flat because it's a lesser bowl? If that's not a soft, then I don't
know what is.

Check the record of that "talented" Arkansas team. Someone who went to the game described it--he said the UT players were all sitting on the bench under the sprinklers to cool off. The Arkansas players, who didn't have any sprinklers, were all standing. He summed it up thusly, "the UT players went out there to do their best. The Arkansas players came to win." Soft.

3. OU fans delight in pointing out that UT usually has better rated players coming out of high school. UT QB Chance Mock threw an intereception on the FIRST PLAY OF THE GAME. Texas was down 37-13 AT THE HALF. S O F T.

The fact that the team had 9, 10, 11 wins in those seasons, while dropping the biggest games, means the team was good, but lacking something. I think that something was mental toughness.

I think the new mindset, especially on defense, is tougher. Heck, we were blitizing in the fourth quarter of our 70-3 win over poor Colorado, and we knocked their QB out of the game on a late hit. While that's not gentlemanly, it certainly isn't soft, either.

But my point is of the teams of past WERE soft, and defending them against this charge is laughable.
 
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Well then I guess I should be laughed at....I don't think that soft is the right word and I will defend my opinion....however, this is not the thread to do so.

edit: one last thought...If you think that texas did not want to beat arkansas you are mistaken....they just didn't realize the hornets nest they were walking into. Are you trying to say that they should not have taken advantage of the cool breeze system? it was really f'n hot that day


anyway, back to tOSU and Texas
 
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Dryden said:
Actually, the great Ohio State QB Johnny Utah said it better, "Babes. The correct term is Babes, sir."

(I thought this was a Salma Hayek thread)
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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...

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in all honesty I think there are more "Eva" pics than "Salma".
 
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High Lonesome said:
Well then I guess I should be laughed at....I don't think that soft is the right word and I will defend my opinion....however, this is not the thread to do so.

edit: one last thought...If you think that texas did not want to beat arkansas you are mistaken....they just didn't realize the hornets nest they were walking into. Are you trying to say that they should not have taken advantage of the cool breeze system? it was really f'n hot that day


anyway, back to tOSU and Texas
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i know how hot it was. We spent the day jet skiing at the lake. Turned out to be a good call, considering our team's performance.
 
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