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TheMightyQuinn
"The future is bright at Ohio State."
If its off topic "what ifs" you want then of about this WAY off one. Rex Kern is credited as saying that if Woody Hayes let Jack Tatum play RB as he did for the freshman team (I think maybe they were allowed to play 4 yrs by then so it would be the scout team or whatever back then) then he would have won 2 Heisman's. They say he was impossible to tackle (Jim Brown-like). Maybe a UT fan has a tidbit of you history to share like this, so maybe we can all relate to each other a little better. None of the other fire extinguishers seemed to have worked.
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campies
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This is High Schoolers we're talking about man. You think Chris Wells is destined to be a RB and a RB alone just because he has played one as such until this point in his career? What about all the productive NFL players that started their prep careers at other positions? I guess you just wrote off their legacies because if they were any good at those positions, they would have started there in the first place.
Sergio Kindle is a good enough athlete and player to be successful at the highest level in college on either side of the ball. He's proven to have the same type of ability that most bluechipers come in having at usually one primary position. He happens to have it at two positions. The fact that his build is slightly more favorable to be a dominant LB than a dominant RB should not discount his obvious running skills, a position he started out playing, excelled at, and has said that is his true position at heart. He just happens to be competitive and athletic enough to maximize his upside at LB in college and beyond. Don't think for a minute though that removing the distraction of his upside at LB, let alone the extra energy needed to play both in HS, wouldn't have showcased his ability to be one of the best RB's in his class, had he been in that role, and that role alone.
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Do you how huge a task of stopping him from playing LB is? Do you know how ridiculous an argument is that just assumes that without even giving it another thought?campies said:This is High Schoolers we're talking about man. You think Chris Wells is destined to be a RB and a RB alone just because he has played one as such until this point in his career? What about all the productive NFL players that started their prep careers at other positions? I guess you just wrote off their legacies because if they were any good at those positions, they would have started there in the first place.
Don't think for a minute though that removing the distraction of his upside at LB, let alone the extra energy needed to play both in HS, wouldn't somehow showcase his ability to be one of the best RB's in his class, had he been in that primary role.
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This is High Schoolers we're talking about man. You think Chris Wells is destined to be a RB and a RB alone just because he has played one as such until this point in his career? What about all the productive NFL players that started their prep careers at other positions? I guess you just wrote off their legacies because if they were any good at those positions, they would have started there in the first place.
Don't think for a minute though that removing the distraction of his upside at LB, let alone the extra energy needed to play both in HS, wouldn't somehow showcase his ability to be one of the best RB's in his class, had he been in that primary role.
Everything you just wrote ignores the entire premise of my point....stats do not mean jack in recruiting.
This:
I can handle...it is not based on STATS but an evaluation of ability (bland and ambiguous, but nonetheless...).
Is this really that hard to understand?
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campies
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See, I would hope with this discussion, as with any other in life, you would concede the premise of "good faith" with anything percieved as a sound argument.
In this case, the credibility is based on S. Kindle's ability, stats, and competition. Those are all "good faith" criteria.
You starting at TE for OSU next year is "arguable," presuming you have a competitive football background, the appropriate measurements and skills, as well as NCAA qualification to do so. The fact you probably have as many of those qualifiers as I do (except that I'm still in college and am probably a better athlete
) leads me to conclude that you're presumption is most definately not sound, and hence, not arguable.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
campies -- Is Kindle even in the Depth Chart for any one of the LB positions?
If not, does that not make this discussion of Kindle as an LB or RB, how is it put, moot?
At least as far as his impact is concerned for the subject matter of this thread - the game on September 9th in Austin.
If not, does that not make this discussion of Kindle as an LB or RB, how is it put, moot?
At least as far as his impact is concerned for the subject matter of this thread - the game on September 9th in Austin.
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campies
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Ok, good, we see what the point of arguing is: to know knowledge. Thinking about something in your head is an argument. Making any decision in life is an argument. You're choosing to believe one thing as opposed to another based on evidence of some kind. However, senseless or stupid things that are either apparent in meaning or have obviously faulty conclusions are not allowed into a sound discussion as to what is "arguable" because its IMPLIED that there's nothing to non-obvious to know through arguing.
When any person of sanity or reasonable intelligence engages in "arguing" something, they should be doing so with the implication of good faith for their contention. Saying "anything" is arguable, while valid because its a mechanism for thinking, is senseless and stupid because there are plenty of non-sound, senseless and stupid arguments that that statement could include. It proves nothing, other than in fact that NOT everything is indeed sensibly "arguable."
Is this Buckeyeplanet or PHL 301: Theory of Knowledge? Sorry I turned it to that.
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timBUCK2
Tim the Enchanter... WOLVERINE SLAYER!!
I suppose anything is arguable. The question is why are we arguing this?
Coach Tressel recruits by the Speed, Big Speed, and Power categories because a lot of the athletes are versitile and could excel at multiple positions. No doubt he would be good at either position, but most seem to think he'd be a much better LB at the college level.
If Mack Brown thought he was sitting on the #1 RB in the country, why on Earth would he make him a LB? Especially at run-oriented Texas.
Assuming that you think Coach Brown is a great coach (or at the very least competent in assigning player positions), you should probably accept that he made the right decision putting SK on the defensive side of the ball.
Having that same confidence in Coach Tressel, we're all very comfortable putting the rock in Chris Wells hands.
At the end of the day, Wells is a RB and Kindle is a LB. Why waste time hypothetically comparing the two, when we may get to seem them play head to head.
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Well first you have to magically erase the last 10 years of my life, then have me move to a power house football school and have me play TE for my whole high school career. Then assume that I get recruited by Ohio State.campies said:
After that, the stats speak for themselves.
(Don't worry.....eventually you'll figure out I'm using hyperbole to make a point)
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campies
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He's currently the backup at the WLB after being enrolled in the spring I believe. Might be SLB since the depth chart has not been released, not sure. If he wasn't on the roster, this discussion becomes moot? I dont think so. We're discussing his status as a HS RB. Nonetheless, it wouldn't suprise me to see him get some significant looks at RB during 2-a-days, as it wouldn't for him to make a significant impact at some place on the field for our Sept 9th game, though thats something I'm less optimistic about.
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