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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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BuckeyeRob said:
I dont know that I agree with that assement of Henne. Braylon most DEFINATELY made Henne look much better than he probably was as a freshman but in fairness to him, the Michigan line was at best a patchwork line. They really were never healthy until the very end of the season. Henne actually had a pretty good game against us in AA
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We'll have to agree to disagree. He's got talent, for sure. But, he hasn't developed at all. He throws some bad balls... he did throw nicely in AA last year, as I recall. Still, he never went downfield... and there's a reason... it hangs when he goes downfield. Come to think of it... he did go down field once.. to MM.. it was caught, but Everett should have picked it, but was out of position.. why? It hung.
 
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Im not so sure about the defense not needing a certain position to start, or force something on every play, I would sure hope against a power running team either my DT's or LB's could beat their block quickly, or against a passing team, I hope someone from the line get's penetration, which by the way is a good example of this years game, I don't care how much experience UT's QB's have, if they have time , Sneed or Colt will pick tOSU apart because both can throw very well. P.S. I know, the same thing goes for Smith and the tOSU offense.
 
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UTMNC said:
Im not so sure about the defense not needing a certain position to start, or force something on every play, I would sure hope against a power running team either my DT's or LB's could beat their block quickly, or against a passing team, I hope someone from the line get's penetration, which by the way is a good example of this years game, I don't care how much experience UT's QB's have, if they have time , Sneed or Colt will pick tOSU apart because both can throw very well. P.S. I know, the same thing goes for Smith and the tOSU offense.
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If they pick tOSU apart they will do something Vince didn't do....in fact, who has picked the OSU d apart recently?
 
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UTMNC said:
Im not so sure about the defense not needing a certain position to start, or force something on every play, I would sure hope against a power running team either my DT's or LB's could beat their block quickly, or against a passing team, I hope someone from the line get's penetration, which by the way is a good example of this years game, I don't care how much experience UT's QB's have, if they have time , Sneed or Colt will pick tOSU apart because both can throw very well. P.S. I know, the same thing goes for Smith and the tOSU offense.
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Dude, what didn't you get? My question wasn't whether you need a DT or LB to field a good D... my question is, who on the Defense is the one guy... that guy who calls the shots... the one you need out there to perform each and every play, for the Defense to work. The answer is, you need them ALL to, of course, but what I'm getting at is, if the play goes to the left, and you're the RCB, if you happen to get beat, big deal, the play didn't go at you. If you're the QB, and you can't read, you're gonna get fucked up. It's really that simple. 11 guys v. 1 guy.

It's comments like this:

I don't care how much experience UT's QB's have, if they have time , Sneed or Colt will pick tOSU apart because both can throw very well.

That you can spare me. If they have time? Are you kidding me? If I had time, I could pick a D apart too. It's a matter of HOW MUCH time... and I don't think that a green college QB is going to have sufficient time to make the right decision as often as you seem to think they will. Here's something to consider.. OSU has been rotating linemen for 10 years now.. yeah, there are those guys who start, but 6-8 guys play about equal reps over the course of a year. OSU's D line is as expierenced this year as last, all things being equal.
 
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UTMNC said:
if they have time , Sneed or Colt will pick tOSU apart because both can throw very well.
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Not to sound like a jerk, but you know this based on what? I know they were both very highly recruited and you all had a spring game and what not, but to make a statement like this shows your blind optimism. Not saying that both of your young QBs aren't extremely talented, but to make a statement of this nature makes you sound like you've actually seen one of them throw a pass in a real NCAA game.
 
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FindlayBucks, you have to at least agree with me that if either teams QB's, with the receivers BOTH teams have, and with the speed of the receivers of BOTH teams, if the QB's have time, they are going to be successful, the DB's can only hold coverage on people like Ginn and Pittman for so long. I didn't say anyone has torched tOSU "D"
 
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UTMNC said:
FindlayBucks, you have to at least agree with me that if either teams QB's, with the receivers BOTH teams have, and with the speed of the receivers of BOTH teams, if the QB's have time, they are going to be successful, the DB's can only hold coverage on people like Ginn and Pittman for so long. I didn't say anyone has torched tOSU "D"
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Yes, and you'll have to agree with me that if giant cockroaches storm the field and take the goal posts, they'll have to postpone the game until suitable replacements can be found.
But what's your point? tOSU d doesn't give QB's much time, and unless you've got Drew Stanton's clone hiding on the sideline, you don't have a QB who will do anything resembling "picking apart" the Ohio State D.
 
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It's pretty simple, I think even the Texas Aggies can understand this. I said if EITHER teams QB has time to stand back in the pocket and check off 1st, and mabey even 2nd receiver, then they will be successful. Where in the sweet name of Jesus in that analysis do I say tOSU cannot, will not, be able to bullrush our QB, look again, I said IF< IF< IF. Hell we may be out of QB's by halftime.
 
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UTMNC said:
It's pretty simple, I think even the Texas Aggies can understand this. I said if EITHER teams QB has time to stand back in the pocket and check off 1st, and mabey even 2nd receiver, then they will be successful. Where in the sweet name of Jesus in that analysis do I say tOSU cannot, will not, be able to bullrush our QB, look again, I said IF< IF< IF. Hell we may be out of QB's by halftime.
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Having time to check off 1st, maybe 2nd? That's about when you plant your foot on a five step drop. How old are you again?
 
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UTMNC said:
It's pretty simple, I think even the Texas Aggies can understand this. I said if EITHER teams QB has time to stand back in the pocket and check off 1st, and mabey even 2nd receiver, then they will be successful. Where in the sweet name of Jesus in that analysis do I say tOSU cannot, will not, be able to bullrush our QB, look again, I said IF< IF< IF. Hell we may be out of QB's by halftime.
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Oh, I see.. insightful. DO you figure that IF the kicker makes good solid contact with the ball, he can kick it in play on Kickoffs?

What about IF either teams running back(s) breaks a few tackles, do you suppose they'll have success running the ball?
 
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No, at first I was trying to figure out what the hell you were talking about. Then I realized I wouldn't be able to figure that out, as you yourself have no idea what you're talking about. Then I thought before I told you what I thought of your football intelligence, I would make sure you weren't a youngster, as I wouldn't want to make you cry.
 
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:lol: findlay, nice work on the donut... it looks like a red chiclet medal.

UTMNC, your OL was outstanding last year, and OSU's DL was not that great. Yet the running backs did not dominate, the pass rush was not nullified, and Vince took a beating. Fortunately, he is an absolute beast, took every hit and came back from more, and had a clutch drive.

OSU's DL should be stronger this year, especially in rushing the passer. I do not expect them to dominate UT up front, but I also do not expect the opposite to happen.

btw, thanks for the brilliant tidbit that QBs with time are effective. Great response bkb :rofl:
 
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UTMNC said:
It's pretty simple, I think even the Texas Aggies can understand this. I said if EITHER teams QB has time to stand back in the pocket and check off 1st, and mabey even 2nd receiver, then they will be successful.
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Well, no shit, Sherlock. Give me enough time and I'll find an open receiver. The key here is the experience of the QBs and what that will make them do when they don't have all day. Panic? Force a bad throw? Ground the ball?

I guarantee you that Snead/McCoy will have very few times where they will have 3+ seconds from snap to release. Your OL had better be at least as good as it was last year, or shit will get real ugly real fast for UT fans...
 
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