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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I love all these stupid rumors about what pledging is. Goat-fucking, pledge-paddling, and the great "drop a brick that's tied to the testicles" story is funny, too. My favorite: sandwich the pledge between two matresses and throw him off the roof. The stories are ALMOST as dumb as the people who believe them.
No one has yet answered the question of why people not in fraternities have such disgust for people in fraternities. The only excuses I've heard so far are things like, "This one time, at band camp, I shoved my flute up my ass and then I got beat up by some guy who was in a fraternity. Now I hate all fraternities, and, therefore, I hate everyone IN fraternities."
No one has yet answered the question of why people not in fraternities have such disgust for people in fraternities. The only excuses I've heard so far are things like, "This one time, at band camp, I shoved my flute up my ass and then I got beat up by some guy who was in a fraternity. Now I hate all fraternities, and, therefore, I hate everyone IN fraternities."
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Buck Nasty
You'll have nothing and like it
Easy there Homer!
You forgot "the Anal Chug" and "the Elephant Walk"
You forgot "the Anal Chug" and "the Elephant Walk"
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Buck Nasty
You'll have nothing and like it
OK Alan, you know that picture is bullshit.Alan said:here you go zurp....and i wouldn't put such a broad sweep on it....there are tons of good frat dudes....and my jabbing is all in fun....
jocks and frat guys live such different lives in college that they are not possibly going to "get" the other side....
They would never let a black guy in!
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Cornerback6
Optimism Lover
I love when they're walking around campus all dressed in the same navy blazer and khaki pants. Like ducks in a row.
Zurp, I don't HATE anything. I really don't. But, I'm going to try and tell you why frats drive me nuts...disgust is a strong word, but it's up there. So anyways...
I am generally the nicest guy I know and I usually reserve negativity for very select parties, but there has always been something about fraternities that has annoyed the piss out of me.
1. What can't you accomplish without paying thousands of extra dollars while in college to join a club/group?
2. What the heck do Greeks have to do with any of this? If Greeks knew the typical structure and reasoning for "Greek life" as it is today on college campuses (exceptions indeed...like anything else), I'm pretty sure they'd be insulted. The letters...oh yeah.
3. Call it unfair or stereotyping (although Alan's pictures pretty much say it all), but when I see a group of 94 guys walking to the bars together who look like carbon copies of one another...99% of the time I'd say it's safe to assume they're frat boys. Unfair? I don't think so because it's so blatantly obvious that denying it just seems plain nonsensical. Ask any human being to pick the group of 10 frat boys or 10 non frat boys and I'd bet every cent I'm worth that they'd get it right every time. This annoys me.
4. I belonged to Campus Crusade for Christ which has a following of around 500 people at Ohio University. Good people. Anyways, there are approx. 20 Greekers involved in it and they STILL hold up the cliches. Why? Because they're the prototypes. They won't go anywhere without their hands in each other's pockets and they get pissed at any new guy who might attract the nicer-looking girls' attention. I could care less what they think of me, but as soon as I started going, these 4 morons were making up random stuff about me so that their ex-g/f's wouldn't hang out with me. I didn't even talk to anyone there...I was so new, I knew no one. Just these three girls...so anyways, there's that story. Whoever mentioned me getting beat up or whatever...very cute. Yeah, I got beat up by a bunch of frat guys so I hate them now. Trust me, I've disliked them for longer than a couple of years.
5. My younger cousin was ripped on his entire life in high school because of the way he looks (goofy kid, but very nice and funny), so he goes to BG and joins a frat for acceptance, and what happens...he becomes an alcoholic literally. Now, I realize he is just as much to blame if not more than the frat, but he confessed that the "guys" pushed him into drinking every single night to a point where if he didn't, they would lock him out of the house. Some would laugh...I mean, detached from the situation, it's funny...but this kid is NOT stable. Anyways, he got alcohol poisoning and about died. Now he's in AA. Can't blame the frat for it all, but if he wouldn't have joined, he wouldn't have had that culture around him. When he quit because he didn't want to drink anymore or kill himself, he got ripped even harder and if any of the guys see him on campus they'll call him a fag or homo...whatever. SENSITIVE kid...never had many friends. So I DO hate that particular fraternity.
6. Every time I meet a frat boy or a sorority girl, I ask them why they joined. I do this because I'm annoyed at first, but to give them a fair shot I ask this simple question. I'd say between 85-90% of the answers are worthless.
7. It will not save your life in the career world, it doesn't look that great on a resume (this is the B.S. I get from time to time), and you're most likely not going to be an officer anyways. My mother works in HR and my father is the president of a debt management firm in Florida (does all the big hiring), so don't bother arguing that point. How you perform scholastically will outweigh any frat or sorority membership anyday of the week. So just do good at school and save some cash.
8. Girls are easy to meet at college no matter what. I say this because when I really give a frat guy the 3rd degree about why he is in one, they almost always fall back on the girls and/or the partying.
9. I never partied much, but this is the 2nd excuse I get when people don't really know why they joined a meaningless club of 100 guys. Sorry to say meaningless here, but it's not like it's a football club, baseball, politics or even chess club. It's a boy's club with no central focus, besides well, Greek life.
10. The paddles. WTF? Why do we need paddles?
11. Hazing. Ok, yeah...it'll be cool to be punished/tortured to have some new friends. What? Could you imagine for 5 seconds if you came from a foreign country and observed this? This is how stupid it really is.
12. The grand majority of frat guys get pissed when you classify them with the bunch and not as an individual. OK, so why did you join again? That's when I hear either option A: (the girls) or B: (partying & drinking) or on occasion option C: for my resume (hilarious). No matter how much you like it, there is a sheep-like association with the whole scene. UNLESS you have a great reason for joining in the 1st place.
13. The (fill in Greek letters) Athletics t-shirts. I HATE THESE. I don't care. It's not a real sports team. At OU, I bet I saw approx. 200 Beta Athletics tshirts. They lift weights in packs....practically uniforms. They also take their shirts off in 35-45 degree weather and throw the football in the frontyard of their house. They are famous for this and everyone at OU is aware of it. Hilarious.
14. I've actually seen an Excel spreadsheet of what guy porked what girl and how many. This is just one frat I realize. BUT...it is horrible & disgusting. Of course there are exceptions...I'll never omit this.
15. A different frat on campus paints their lion statues out front of the house when someone has sex with a virgin. My ex dated one of them and dumped the guy when she found out what it meant. This also is disgusting.
16. I could go on and on but I've probably already pissed off every fraternity member who participates on this board.
That being said, I have a couple of friends who were in fraternities. They're not my best friends, but they're good guys for the most part. They know how I feel about frats and they usually agree with me and we just laugh about it...so we get along pretty good. I know there are tons of great guys who were in fraternities. I'm not that one-sided or unfair, but there is a reason why every time these fraternity threads turn into a war. BECAUSE this stuff is true. Not all of it in every instance, but a lot of it a lot of times. If it weren't, there wouldn't be such a battle on here everytime it popped up.
It's official. I have just typed the ultimate, longest BP thread I've known to exist. I'm a stubborn S.O.B. and when I mean something, I say it. So here it goes. Zurp or anyone else that this might pertain to, no offense AT ALL. I'm sure you're an awesome guy. This is just a nice thick response to your question. I wanted to be thorough and try to leave no holes. :)
My apologies if any of you actually read this entire thing. Amazing how much you can type over chicken parmesan.
Zurp, I don't HATE anything. I really don't. But, I'm going to try and tell you why frats drive me nuts...disgust is a strong word, but it's up there. So anyways...
I am generally the nicest guy I know and I usually reserve negativity for very select parties, but there has always been something about fraternities that has annoyed the piss out of me.
1. What can't you accomplish without paying thousands of extra dollars while in college to join a club/group?
2. What the heck do Greeks have to do with any of this? If Greeks knew the typical structure and reasoning for "Greek life" as it is today on college campuses (exceptions indeed...like anything else), I'm pretty sure they'd be insulted. The letters...oh yeah.
3. Call it unfair or stereotyping (although Alan's pictures pretty much say it all), but when I see a group of 94 guys walking to the bars together who look like carbon copies of one another...99% of the time I'd say it's safe to assume they're frat boys. Unfair? I don't think so because it's so blatantly obvious that denying it just seems plain nonsensical. Ask any human being to pick the group of 10 frat boys or 10 non frat boys and I'd bet every cent I'm worth that they'd get it right every time. This annoys me.
4. I belonged to Campus Crusade for Christ which has a following of around 500 people at Ohio University. Good people. Anyways, there are approx. 20 Greekers involved in it and they STILL hold up the cliches. Why? Because they're the prototypes. They won't go anywhere without their hands in each other's pockets and they get pissed at any new guy who might attract the nicer-looking girls' attention. I could care less what they think of me, but as soon as I started going, these 4 morons were making up random stuff about me so that their ex-g/f's wouldn't hang out with me. I didn't even talk to anyone there...I was so new, I knew no one. Just these three girls...so anyways, there's that story. Whoever mentioned me getting beat up or whatever...very cute. Yeah, I got beat up by a bunch of frat guys so I hate them now. Trust me, I've disliked them for longer than a couple of years.
5. My younger cousin was ripped on his entire life in high school because of the way he looks (goofy kid, but very nice and funny), so he goes to BG and joins a frat for acceptance, and what happens...he becomes an alcoholic literally. Now, I realize he is just as much to blame if not more than the frat, but he confessed that the "guys" pushed him into drinking every single night to a point where if he didn't, they would lock him out of the house. Some would laugh...I mean, detached from the situation, it's funny...but this kid is NOT stable. Anyways, he got alcohol poisoning and about died. Now he's in AA. Can't blame the frat for it all, but if he wouldn't have joined, he wouldn't have had that culture around him. When he quit because he didn't want to drink anymore or kill himself, he got ripped even harder and if any of the guys see him on campus they'll call him a fag or homo...whatever. SENSITIVE kid...never had many friends. So I DO hate that particular fraternity.
6. Every time I meet a frat boy or a sorority girl, I ask them why they joined. I do this because I'm annoyed at first, but to give them a fair shot I ask this simple question. I'd say between 85-90% of the answers are worthless.
7. It will not save your life in the career world, it doesn't look that great on a resume (this is the B.S. I get from time to time), and you're most likely not going to be an officer anyways. My mother works in HR and my father is the president of a debt management firm in Florida (does all the big hiring), so don't bother arguing that point. How you perform scholastically will outweigh any frat or sorority membership anyday of the week. So just do good at school and save some cash.
8. Girls are easy to meet at college no matter what. I say this because when I really give a frat guy the 3rd degree about why he is in one, they almost always fall back on the girls and/or the partying.
9. I never partied much, but this is the 2nd excuse I get when people don't really know why they joined a meaningless club of 100 guys. Sorry to say meaningless here, but it's not like it's a football club, baseball, politics or even chess club. It's a boy's club with no central focus, besides well, Greek life.
10. The paddles. WTF? Why do we need paddles?
11. Hazing. Ok, yeah...it'll be cool to be punished/tortured to have some new friends. What? Could you imagine for 5 seconds if you came from a foreign country and observed this? This is how stupid it really is.
12. The grand majority of frat guys get pissed when you classify them with the bunch and not as an individual. OK, so why did you join again? That's when I hear either option A: (the girls) or B: (partying & drinking) or on occasion option C: for my resume (hilarious). No matter how much you like it, there is a sheep-like association with the whole scene. UNLESS you have a great reason for joining in the 1st place.
13. The (fill in Greek letters) Athletics t-shirts. I HATE THESE. I don't care. It's not a real sports team. At OU, I bet I saw approx. 200 Beta Athletics tshirts. They lift weights in packs....practically uniforms. They also take their shirts off in 35-45 degree weather and throw the football in the frontyard of their house. They are famous for this and everyone at OU is aware of it. Hilarious.
14. I've actually seen an Excel spreadsheet of what guy porked what girl and how many. This is just one frat I realize. BUT...it is horrible & disgusting. Of course there are exceptions...I'll never omit this.
15. A different frat on campus paints their lion statues out front of the house when someone has sex with a virgin. My ex dated one of them and dumped the guy when she found out what it meant. This also is disgusting.
16. I could go on and on but I've probably already pissed off every fraternity member who participates on this board.
That being said, I have a couple of friends who were in fraternities. They're not my best friends, but they're good guys for the most part. They know how I feel about frats and they usually agree with me and we just laugh about it...so we get along pretty good. I know there are tons of great guys who were in fraternities. I'm not that one-sided or unfair, but there is a reason why every time these fraternity threads turn into a war. BECAUSE this stuff is true. Not all of it in every instance, but a lot of it a lot of times. If it weren't, there wouldn't be such a battle on here everytime it popped up.
It's official. I have just typed the ultimate, longest BP thread I've known to exist. I'm a stubborn S.O.B. and when I mean something, I say it. So here it goes. Zurp or anyone else that this might pertain to, no offense AT ALL. I'm sure you're an awesome guy. This is just a nice thick response to your question. I wanted to be thorough and try to leave no holes. :)
My apologies if any of you actually read this entire thing. Amazing how much you can type over chicken parmesan.
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Alan
Banned
Cornerback6......too bad your brother didn't get involved in Campus Crusade the way you have.....it's a great, great thing.....i have a good friend who has been involved for nearly 20 years and is now pretty high up....myself, i am involved in fca/aia, but we are working for the same results my man.....
and to get down to it, the frat/greek college system reminds me of 1st Corinthians and the letter Paul wrote to warn that city it was falsely idolizing sexual immorality...among other things...
those that dont know the story, corinth was a greek city (largest at the time i believe) which was pagan and they built a temple to Aphrodite where prostitutes served you while you worshiped the idol of aphrodite.....this was occuring around 49 a.d. at the infancy of christianity....
short story long....the inhabitants of that city remind me of frat guys....worshiping all the wrong things....let's see how drunk we can get, lets see what random chick we can trick into bed.....lets haze our "new friends".......
and to get down to it, the frat/greek college system reminds me of 1st Corinthians and the letter Paul wrote to warn that city it was falsely idolizing sexual immorality...among other things...
those that dont know the story, corinth was a greek city (largest at the time i believe) which was pagan and they built a temple to Aphrodite where prostitutes served you while you worshiped the idol of aphrodite.....this was occuring around 49 a.d. at the infancy of christianity....
short story long....the inhabitants of that city remind me of frat guys....worshiping all the wrong things....let's see how drunk we can get, lets see what random chick we can trick into bed.....lets haze our "new friends".......
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Yertle
Pounding out aggression, turns into obsession
Cornerback6 said:
Holy crap, Cornerback!!! As master Yoda said, "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads the dark side. I sense much fear in you." What in the hell happened to you in college???
I was going to go through a comment on your points, but you're not worth my time.
Alan said:
Right back at you Alan. But, I need to ask you, when are you going to learn how to tie your tie?
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Cornerback6
Optimism Lover
Hey, if you want me to see the light...I'm not above a good lesson. Educate me. I'm all ears, don't ease up now. Define "worth your time".Yertle said:
Here's a fairly decent question. If Rush didn't have 18 and 19 year old boys to bait, do you think fraternities would survive at all? Numbers wise that is?
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Yertle
Pounding out aggression, turns into obsession
Cornerback6 said:
According to your post, you obviously ARE above a good lesson. It's unfortunate that you feel it's necessary to prejudice yourself against a significant part of the college population, but you seem to have your mind set on it. It's surprising too - your football posts seem insightful and open-minded.
As far as this thread goes, it has now become completely retarded (which I accept partial blame). Cornerback, if you have something to say to me, how about PM-ing me so we don't waste everyone else's time? Maybe this thread can then return to its original intent or die a quiet, peaceful death.
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