Duke Blue Devils (that rat faced scumbag)

[Jeffcat]

henderson showed up with bad intentions.

i know ive done the same thing. ive stated before 99 times out of 100 it doesnt end up like this and youd never hear it talked about. henderson was sending a message. watch the video a again 40. watch the way he steps up. watch his body postioning. watch the elbow, the angle, watch the shape that the hand makes, watch which part he leads with (elbow), watch the realtime reaction, watch him walk away, watch as they pan to him on the sideline. watch, watch, watch. (preferably something of decent video quality)

all i have to say is that if henderson can manage to swat hansbrough right square in the nose with his forearm while looking away and while hansbrough is being contorted by another player through the air and while henderson is in the air at that speed then you might as well tell henderson to be crowned to king of the UFC for being able to pull that one off because thats one impressive display of intentionally cracking a guy in the nose.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

i really could care less who the announcer is. thats besides the point. the point is he made the obvious call right from the get go from what he saw on the court in person and from the replay and was standing behind it just as i am. it could be adolf hitler for all i care the guys observations were spot on and i dont see how his observations are disputable in this particular case. if you want my side of the story all you have to do replay the tape and listen to him and try to tell me he is wrong in his observations.
it is a hyperbole.....just like this whole situation has become. i can agree the troy smith analogy isnt the best but i had to use something relevant to hit home. and my posts are sounding less and less intelligent because why?.....because im debating against your opinion?.....oh ok

Your entire argument is based off the assumption that he was going in for the block. Despite what Billy Packer says, he wasn't. Nobody goes in for a block without extending their arms.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

all i have to say is that if henderson can manage to swat hansbrough right square in the nose with his forearm while looking away and while hansbrough is being contorted by another player through the air and while henderson is in the air at that speed then you might as well tell henderson to be crowned to king of the UFC for being able to pull that one off because thats one impressive display of intentionally cracking a guy in the nose.

Nobody said he intended to land his elbow on the exact spot he did....but he wasn't going in to block the ball with his elbow either.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

i really could care less who the announcer is. thats besides the point. the point is he made the obvious call right from the get go from what he saw on the court in person and from the replay and was standing behind it just as i am. it could be adolf hitler for all i care the guys observations were spot on and i dont see how his observations are disputable in this particular case. if you want my side of the story all you have to do replay the tape and listen to him and try to tell me he is wrong in his observations.
it is a hyperbole.....just like this whole situation has become. i can agree the troy smith analogy isnt the best but i had to use something relevant to hit home. and my posts are sounding less and less intelligent because why?.....because im debating against your opinion?.....oh ok

the troy smith? are you comparing it to the hypothetical situation set forth. or troy kicking the psu player this year, something i felt he should have been suspended for...

 

[Jeffcat]

Your entire argument is based off the assumption that he was going in for the block. Despite what Billy Packer says, he wasn't. Nobody goes in for a block without extending their arms.

this cracks me up. since when is a guy swiping at a basketball in midair not going for a block? do you know what a block is? hansbrough is barely off the ground and henderson is getting off the floor above him to swipe at his shot. its not henderson's fault that his teammate moves hansbrough in the air and hacks him. i really dont give the 2 cents what billy packer's credibility is....in this instance i see no reason to disagree with anything he said.

 

[Jeffcat]

the troy smith? are you comparing it to the hypothetical situation set forth. or troy kicking the psu player this year, something i felt he should have been suspended for...

hey if he kicked a player then i completely agree with you but intentionally harming somebody and being an accidental casualty of the game are two completely things.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

henderson showed up with bad intentions.

Agreed

i know ive done the same thing. ive stated before 99 times out of 100 it doesnt end up like this and youd never hear it talked about. henderson was sending a message. watch the video a again 40. watch the way he steps up. watch his body postioning. watch the elbow, the angle, watch the shape that the hand makes, watch which part he leads with (elbow), watch the realtime reaction, watch him walk away, watch as they pan to him on the sideline. watch, watch, watch. (preferably something of decent video quality)

IMO he was going to go for the ball with a hard foul, like you said with bad intentions...Once the ball was stripped the elbow came down towards the ground and connected with Hansbrough...

I have said he was coming with bad intentions, that it deserved the flagrant foul call, etc...

I just don't think that when he was in the air that he adjusted his elbow to hit Hansbrough in the nose...If he doesnt connect to the nose and ball isnt stripped I think we just see a hard foul that is called an intentional foul...The blood made the situation look worse than what it was IMO...

As for his reaction afterwards, you don't show remorse towards your rival in the heat of the battle especially if they still have their starters in up 12 with seconds left...

 

[OH10]

i really could care less who the announcer is. thats besides the point. the point is he made the obvious call right from the get go from what he saw on the court in person and from the replay and was standing behind it just as i am. it could be adolf hitler for all i care the guys observations were spot on and i dont see how his observations are disputable in this particular case. if you want my side of the story all you have to do replay the tape and listen to him and try to tell me he is wrong in his observations.
it is a hyperbole.....just like this whole situation has become. i can agree the troy smith analogy isnt the best but i had to use something relevant to hit home. and my posts are sounding less and less intelligent because why?.....because im debating against your opinion?.....oh ok

I think it's difficult to look at that tape and say that Henderson had any concern about the ball considering, as I said before:

1. He came in from outside the play at damn near full speed.

2. He missed the ball by an embarrassing amount - either he sucks or he didn't care what was about to happen.

3. Hansbrough broke his nose. The only time someone should attempt to block a shot hard enough to break a nose is when the ball is in the air and they are knocking it into the stands Oden or Ken Johnson style. That couldn't possibly have been the case here.

4. The scenario was too perfect for something like that happen. It's a strange accident if he was just going for the ball in that situation against that player and a bloody broken nose came out of it.


I'm not saying it's not possible that he was just going after the ball. But after reviewing the videotape under the scenario, I think it's a far more likely scenario that he didn't care about the ball as much as he did about sending a message.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Agreed



IMO he was going to go for the ball with a hard foul, like you said with bad intentions...Once the ball was stripped the elbow came down towards the ground and connected with Hansbrough...

I have said he was coming with bad intentions, that it deserved the flagrant foul call, etc...

I just don't think that when he was in the air that he adjusted his elbow to hit Hansbrough in the nose...If he doesnt connect to the nose and ball isnt stripped I think we just see a hard foul that is called an intentional foul...The blood made the situation look worse than what it was IMO...

As for his reaction afterwards, you don't show remorse towards your rival in the heat of the battle especially if they still have their starters in up 12 with seconds left...

the thing is though, he never brings his hand down. his hand never went up.

i know what the kid did. for this reason, ive done the same exact thing once or twice. so if im calling the kid a bad kid, im calling myself a bad person. i know im not the only on the teams ive played on who has done this.

and the starter issue is a non issue. its a 3/4 poession game. do you think that every coach would have his best players in at that point. absolutely. if coach k was so appaulded by unc having their starters in he never should have jacked up the three. he should have conceeded a basket and inbounded the ball. or maybe he should have had his team loss by more. or maybe he should of had his team in a clsoer game. thats a spin job.

in reality ive said it before and ill say it again, duke basketball is the biggest case of smoke and mirrors i have ever seen...

 

[Jeffcat]

Agreed



IMO he was going to go for the ball with a hard foul, like you said with bad intentions...Once the ball was stripped the elbow came down towards the ground and connected with Hansbrough...

I have said he was coming with bad intentions, that it deserved the flagrant foul call, etc...

I just don't think that when he was in the air that he adjusted his elbow to hit Hansbrough in the nose...If he doesnt connect to the nose and ball isnt stripped I think we just see a hard foul that is called an intentional foul...The blood made the situation look worse than what it was IMO...

As for his reaction afterwards, you don't show remorse towards your rival in the heat of the battle especially if they still have their starters in up 12 with seconds left...

i can respect that opinion. i dont really think he came in with bad intentions but he did fly in and frustration is a definite possibility so i cant really rule that one out. i agree with the rest of what you said. i dont really think the starters should of been taken out though. crazy things have happened in games before and neither side was really relinguishing so it is what it is. i thought it was a moot call for coach K to bring that issue up because its just beating around the bush and makes everything else look worse. henderson reaction was nothing out of the ordinary to me. focused on the refs and stayed away from psycho T. im all for sportsmanship but if i accidentally cracked some guy from a rival team that is deemed crazy on their home court then id just stay away from the guy like henderson did so i also agree there.

 

[Jeffcat]

I think it's difficult to look at that tape and say that Henderson had any concern about the ball considering, as I said before:

1. He came in from outside the play at damn near full speed.

2. He missed the ball by an embarrassing amount - either he sucks or he didn't care what was about to happen.

3. Hansbrough broke his nose. The only time someone should attempt to block a shot hard enough to break a nose is when the ball is in the air and they are knocking it into the stands Oden or Ken Johnson style. That couldn't possibly have been the case here.

4. The scenario was too perfect for something like that happen. It's a strange accident if he was just going for the ball in that situation against that player and a bloody broken nose came out of it.


I'm not saying it's not possible that he was just going after the ball. But after reviewing the videotape under the scenario, I think it's a far more likely scenario that he didn't care about the ball as much as he did about sending a message.

1: what do you expect him to do?.....give up? the kid is trying to make a play. his team is already getting embarrassed and his team didnt even get the rebound after the foul shot. he came in and tried to make a play and you are going to rag on him for doing that?

2: he did miss it by quite a bit but his teammate also fouled hansbrough and he knew he was in a bad place by flying in through the air and about to hit hansbrough not to mention its not exactly his usual job to be inside and taking on hansbrough.

3: again what do you expect him to do?....love tap the ball which would most likely make it more likely for a foul to occur and/or hansbrough to hold onto the ball and take it back up for the score. i think hansbrough is overrated but he isnt puny and he can hold onto the ball down low and bring it up to the basket......that is his job.

4: thats your opinion. basketball like many sports has its risks and accidents happen sometimes in unimaginable ways. i dont even see this one as that hard to believe but your entitled to think as you want.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

the thing is though, he never brings his hand down. his hand never went up.

He had his hand cocked back in a spiking type volleyball position hard block until the ball was knocked out of Hansbrough's hands...

i know what the kid did. for this reason, ive done the same exact thing once or twice. so if im calling the kid a bad kid, im calling myself a bad person. i know im not the only on the teams ive played on who has done this.

I am not disagreeing about the hard foul tho...I have done the same thing, and you see it quite often...Let me say this once again THE only reason why this is a big deal is b/c of the teams and the fact that a guy ended up with a broken nose...If not it would be wrote off as a hard foul and we wouldnt even be talking about it and half on here wouldnt even of known what happened...

and the starter issue is a non issue. its a 3/4 poession game. do you think that every coach would have his best players in at that point. absolutely. if coach k was so appaulded by unc having their starters in he never should have jacked up the three. he should have conceeded a basket and inbounded the ball. or maybe he should have had his team loss by more. or maybe he should of had his team in a clsoer game. thats a spin job.

I think we are just going to agree to disagree here...And if the mask ends up effecting Hansbrough's play we are going to here the criticism towards Williams as to why was he still in the game, and rightfully so...

in reality ive said it before and ill say it again, duke basketball is the biggest case of smoke and mirrors i have ever seen...

I can agree here...

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Smoke and mirrors? JO, have you seen Notre Dame football?

 

[Jeffcat]

Smoke and mirrors? JO, have you seen Notre Dame football?

wow that is rather frightening how much those 2 programs have in common

 

[OH10]

1: what do you expect him to do?.....give up? the kid is trying to make a play. his team is already getting embarrassed and his team didnt even get the rebound after the foul shot. he came in and tried to make a play and you are going to rag on him for doing that?

He was out of the play. I don't expect the kid to quit. But there's a difference between playing hard and playing reckless. He was playing reckless.

2: he did miss it by quite a bit but his teammate also fouled hansbrough and he knew he was in a bad place by flying in through the air and about to hit hansbrough not to mention its not exactly his usual job to be inside and taking on hansbrough.

Actually, after having reviewed the tape some more, I can't possibly see where he was going for the ball. The ball was well out of Hanbrough's hands by the time he swung. And if he knew he was in a bad place, he should not have swung the arm. Bad bad move. And it's hard not to question his motives under that scenario.

3: again what do you expect him to do?....love tap the ball which would most likely make it more likely for a foul to occur and/or hansbrough to hold onto the ball and take it back up for the score. i think hansbrough is overrated but he isnt puny and he can hold onto the ball down low and bring it up to the basket......that is his job.

Again, after reviewing the tape, I can't see where he was going for the ball. It was well out of his hands by that point. Either the kid doesn't have what it takes to play basketball (which I doubt), or he didn't care that the ball was loose and just wanted to let loose himself.

4: thats your opinion. basketball like many sports has its risks and accidents happen sometimes in unimaginable ways. i dont even see this one as that hard to believe but your entitled to think as you want.

I agree that it's my opinion. But it's based on video evidence. Obviously a video cannot take us inside Gerald Henderson's mind. But it's difficult for me to rationalize a lack of some intent.