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Duke Blue Devils (that rat faced scumbag)

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StadiumDorm;772304; said:
He was out of the play. I don't expect the kid to quit. But there's a difference between playing hard and playing reckless. He was playing reckless.



Actually, after having reviewed the tape some more, I can't possibly see where he was going for the ball. The ball was well out of Hanbrough's hands by the time he swung. And if he knew he was in a bad place, he should not have swung the arm. Bad bad move. And it's hard not to question his motives under that scenario.



Again, after reviewing the tape, I can't see where he was going for the ball. It was well out of his hands by that point. Either the kid doesn't have what it takes to play basketball (which I doubt), or he didn't care that the ball was loose and just wanted to let loose himself.



I agree that it's my opinion. But it's based on video evidence. Obviously a video cannot take us inside Gerald Henderson's mind. But it's difficult for me to rationalize a lack of some intent.
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fair enough i just share the opposite views of yours. from what i see from the video i just see a guy flying in midair going for a shot block attempt while his teammate hacks hansbrough and contorts him enough that hendersons shot block attempt on the ball and/or his attempt to quickly bring his arms down to his side at the same time accidentally hits hansbrough in the face causing a frenzy. thats just what i see from the evidence the video gives me as well.
 
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Jeffcat said:
this cracks me up. since when is a guy swiping at a basketball in midair not going for a block? do you know what a block is? hansbrough is barely off the ground and henderson is getting off the floor above him to swipe at his shot. its not henderson's fault that his teammate moves hansbrough in the air and hacks him. i really dont give the 2 cents what billy packer's credibility is....in this instance i see no reason to disagree with anything he said.
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He didn't swipe at the ball once. by the time his hand was coming down, the ball was halfway to the foul line. watch the video. you can agree with packer all you want, but you're both wrong. nobody goes for a block with their arm at a 90 degree angle. it doesn't happen.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
Question:

While most of us agree that he had bad intentions...Do you guys think the elbow to the face was intentional or happened due to the stripping of the ball?
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he led with his elbow. intentional.

that being said he never extends his elbow. it was intentional. that being siad when i played i always went for the ball upstairs and had bad intentions downstairs. (id go after the ball but play with the elbow, say maybe the arm at 120 degrees while the armpit forms 120 or so again). henderson never extended to do this. thats the difference to me. at no point does he make a vertical move...
 
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jimotis4heisman;772326; said:
he led with his elbow. intentional.

that being said he never extends his elbow. it was intentional. that being siad when i played i always went for the ball upstairs and had bad intentions downstairs. (id go after the ball but play with the elbow, say maybe the arm at 120 degrees while the armpit forms 120 or so again). henderson never extended to do this. thats the difference to me. at no point does he make a vertical move...
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Thats the thing we will never know due to the fact that ball was tipped. He had his arm cocked at an angle that was like a volleyball spike, much like this picture...



He was not coming in with his elbow until the ball was knocked out of the hands...
 
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BuckeyeNation27;772319; said:
He didn't swipe at the ball once. by the time his hand was coming down, the ball was halfway to the foul line. watch the video. you can agree with packer all you want, but you're both wrong. nobody goes for a block with their arm at a 90 degree angle. it doesn't happen.
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and look how fast everything occurs in realtime speed. you are talking about a second or less to think. you can tell where hendersons focus is....on the ball. his eyes clearly follow the ball and he never leads with his elbow or extends his elbow. he makes a swiping motion and hits hansbrough accidentally with his forearm. in hendersons defense nobody intentionally tries to hit an opposing player in midair with a swiping motion while not looking at what their hitting.
 
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Jeffcat;772329; said:
in hendersons defense nobody intentionally tries to hit an opposing player in midair with a swiping motion while not looking at what their hitting.
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have you ever watched a boxing match? boxers regularly hit their opponents while not actually looking at their opponents. they're doing this with split-second timing. the human mind and body are certainly able to perform these complex behaviors in short order. i'm sure a high-functioning basketball player moving at great speeds can still make deliberate contact, even while looking away for barely a moment. if athletes couldn't perform these actions in split-second time, professional and high-level amateur sports wouldn't be any different than average joe amateur sports.
Jeffcat;772329; said:
you are talking about a second or less to think.
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i think i just got some insight into your simple, slow world.
 
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Jeffcat;772329; said:
and look how fast everything occurs in realtime speed. you are talking about a second or less to think. you can tell where hendersons focus is....on the ball. his eyes clearly follow the ball and he never leads with his elbow or extends his elbow. he makes a swiping motion and hits hansbrough accidentally with his forearm. in hendersons defense nobody intentionally tries to hit an opposing player in midair with a swiping motion while not looking at what their hitting.
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so you're a psychic?? You know what Henderson was thinking??
 
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BB73;771304; said:
Williams' quote about the sub for Hansbrough being at the scorer's table when Frasor was at the line doesn't seem to make sense.
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during that sequence there were only two instances which would have lead to a substitution opportunity, but both were contingent on making the second free throw. neither one occurred. now if you want to argue that TH should have been pulled earlier, then okay i guess. DooK still had their starters in though, so... i think it's moot.

edit: it appears that my reply is sufficiently late as to be currently off topic. i am of the opinion that it was not Henderson's intention to hit Hansbrough in the face, but the way he came in all wild and half-cocked was quite enough to warrant the flagrant call...
 
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BuckeyeMike80;772375; said:
so you're a psychic?? You know what Henderson was thinking??
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where did i claim i was? tell me if that is not an accurate observation? if you think otherwise then this whole situation you observed would be over a longer period of time with the complete ideology that he did come in with intent. i just gave valid observations. maybe you have superpowers i dont really know but split second decisions at high speeds in midair for the rest of society make situations a little more difficult.
 
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