Duke Blue Devils (that rat faced scumbag)

[OSU_Buckguy]

thats what im saying...

i dont know that gerald henderson had an intent to injure, but i know he wasnt going in there just to get the ball (thus showing up with bad intentions)

then i don't know what these "bad intentions" would be if they weren't to hurt someone. i don't have a problem with most hard fouls that are intended to hurt someone. as bad as that sounds, that's often part of the game... as long as a serious injury is not what is intended. in football, these messages are sent with good reason. just because there aren't pads in basketball doesn't mean that these same messages shouldn't be sent as well. the best fouls are the ones that create memories. as you and i both agree, though, these players that "goon" others should be prepared for the penalties.

 

[methomps]

So Henderson lacked the body control required to avoid smacking Hansbrough in the face, but he had enough body control to adjust to the ball? I'd like to see a clip of it with every player but Henderson edited out. I've seen some funky ways to block shots, but I bet Henderson's method (launching yourself more laterally than vertically) will be quite original.

I think Henderson was going up with the intention to hit Hansbrough while they were both mid-air. Hansbrough lost the ball and was not where Henderson expected him to be.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

I'd like to see a clip of it with every player but Henderson edited out. I've seen some funky ways to block shots, but I bet Henderson's method (launching yourself more laterally than vertically) will be quite original.

i'd like to see a clip of henderson flying in all matrix-like.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

williams sent a guy to the table as the whole thing played out. he held him until after the ft attempt.

if you dont want to be embrassed dont be down 13. in all reality that is 4 trips down the court. did coach k have paulas, henderson, mcroberts out? no. why should williams have to call off the dogs in a 4 trip game if duke is jacking up 3balls?

 

[jimotis4heisman]

then i don't know what these "bad intentions" would be if they weren't to hurt someone. i don't have a problem with most hard fouls that are intended to hurt someone. as bad as that sounds, that's often part of the game... as long as a serious injury is not what is intended. in football, these messages are sent with good reason. just because there aren't pads in basketball doesn't mean that these same messages shouldn't be sent as well. the best fouls are the ones that create memories. as you and i both agree, though, these players that "goon" others should be prepared for the penalties.

ok you and i are on the same page.

the clarification i would make would be to make seriously hurt and "hurt" the same. and replace hurt with send a message.

no doubt in my mind henderson was sending a message. that being said i played with bad intentions more than once, and sent more than my fair share of messages. ill give you this, it was a smart play. 99 times out of 100 the message is sent and wed never be having this conversation...

 

[BB73]

yes, i realized that when watching espn just a bit ago, too. when i posted the reference to the time, i was going off what williams stated in the press conference. however, i wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that williams did have a sub ready for hansbrough but chose to rescind the substitution when coach k called timeout and kept his key players in.

Williams said that he was going to sub for Hansbrough when Frasor was at the line. Did Hansbrough rebound a missed FT from Frasor before getting fouled, thus sending him to the line for hos own free throw? I didn't see how Hansbrough was fouled the first time which sent him to the line.

 

[methomps]

Williams said that he was going to sub for Hansbrough when Frasor was at the line. Did Hansbrough rebound a missed FT from Frasor before getting fouled, thus sending him to the line for hos own free throw? I didn't see how Hansbrough was fouled the first time which sent him to the line.

That appears to be what happened:
0:19
Bobby Frasor made Free Throw.
Bobby Frasor missed Free Throw.
Tyler Hansbrough Offensive Rebound.
0:18
Foul on Josh McRoberts
Tyler Hansbrough missed Free Throw.
Rebound
Tyler Hansbrough missed Free Throw.
Tyler Hansbrough Offensive Rebound.
Foul on Gerald Henderson

 

[ScarletBlood31]

sure i bet hansbrough was going to just lay it in. why take it to the hole in th e first place? you are up, get the rebound, hold it. get fouled, and shoot your free throws. i think he went up because he wanted to dunk it.

as for a hard foul being premeditated, i don't see it that way. i see it as reacting directly to someone who is trying to rub it in your face that we beat you. premeditated would be, "i'm pissed that we're getting owned. next time he goes up, i clock him". that's not the mentality here. gerald said afterwards, "obviously it was a foul, but i didn't mean to hurt him" or something along those lines. it's clear that he knows it was a foul, but it was not meant to hurt him...

Let's say that he was going to dunk it in, whats the big deal? If Duke is afraid to get their feelings hurt because an opponent is going to score on them, then they better shape up and make the game more competitive. Doing a flying windmill dunk from the free-throw line is showboating, but dunking a rebound under the basket is perfectly fine. Either way, dunking the ball, if you can get up there, is the most effective way of scoring anyway, so was Hansbrough supposed to just sit there and play nice?

And I'm not saying that Henderson was being completely ridiculous by fouling him, because his pride was probably hurt, I'm just saying that if you do go for the hard foul, atleast own up to it.


I don't blame him one bit. If you can't handle the game and the rivalry, get out.

 

[billmac91]

my biggest disappointment in this entire saga, is that people are losing sight of what a douchebag Billy Packer is. Has there ever been anyone better at missing key moments in games and giving awful analysis?

 

[BB73]

That appears to be what happened:
0:19
Bobby Frasor made Free Throw.
Bobby Frasor missed Free Throw.
Tyler Hansbrough Offensive Rebound.
0:18
Foul on Josh McRoberts
Tyler Hansbrough missed Free Throw.
Rebound
Tyler Hansbrough missed Free Throw.
Tyler Hansbrough Offensive Rebound.
Foul on Gerald Henderson

Williams' quote about the sub for Hansbrough being at the scorer's table when Frasor was at the line doesn't seem to make sense. If he sent a sub to the table when the foul against Frasor was called, the substitution should have been done by the refs after the first free throw was made.

But Duke allows back-to-back offensive rebounds on missed free throws in the last 20 seconds. They were willing to hammer a guy to not get 'embarrassed', but weren't paying enough attention to box out Hansbrough when shooting a free throw. They deserve the black eye for the incident.

 

[Jeffcat]

agreed. all good points. also, if henderson didn't intend to hurt hansbrough, why didn't he go over to hansbrough right away to see if he was okay? hansbrough was on the ground for a good 5 or so seconds before getting up.

do you think troy smith would help a michigan player that he stiffarmed and ended up hurting accidentally in michigan stadium?

 

[buckeyeboy]

do you think troy smith would help a michigan player that he stiffarmed and ended up hurting accidentally in michigan stadium?

Great analogy. Just keep ignoring the facts, as it's clear that they're getting in the way of you reaching the result that you want to believe.

 

[BB73]

do you think troy smith would help a michigan player that he stiffarmed and ended up hurting accidentally in michigan stadium?

I don't think a stiffarm is a fair comparison to the Henderson play.

A more appropriate comparison would be whether Laurinaitis would help up a TSUN offensive star after he clotheslined him with less than 30 seconds left in a game where TSUN was ahead by 17 points.

Of course, Tressel wouldn't have L'il Amimal in the game at that time, and more importantly, JT wouldn't let TSUN get a 17-point lead.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

do you think troy smith would help a michigan player that he stiffarmed and ended up hurting accidentally in michigan stadium?

 

[LitlBuck]

The main video at here will show how flagrant the foul really was.