Duke Blue Devils (that rat faced scumbag)

[OSU_Buckguy]

it was just stated on cold pizza that hansbrough suffered a broken nose and will wear a guard.

 

[Jeffcat]

then i don't know what these "bad intentions" would be if they weren't to hurt someone. i don't have a problem with most hard fouls that are intended to hurt someone. as bad as that sounds, that's often part of the game... as long as a serious injury is not what is intended. in football, these messages are sent with good reason. just because there aren't pads in basketball doesn't mean that these same messages shouldn't be sent as well. the best fouls are the ones that create memories. as you and i both agree, though, these players that "goon" others should be prepared for the penalties.

there is a social psychology term called a self fulfilling prophecy. thats exactly what the unc fans and people like you are creating. how is a player going up to block a shot suddenly doing something with "bad intentions". as ive said before i hate duke with a passion but i draw the line with reality. hansbrough went up with dookies all around him after he got the rebound and got hacked by one guy while he was in the air which already somewhat contorted his body then henderson was already in the air trying to block his shot as well. henderson realized the shot was "blocked" which is why he looked away and brought his arm STRAIGHT down to try to minimize contact of an already bad situation. a real life bball game doesnt have the luxury of slow motion and the ability to think. watch it at full speed. could you have done anything different?....sure you prolly could knowing what you do now but what happened is a very good possibility. if i put myself in his shoes and i went up for the block then i could see myself doing the same thing. its unfortunate that it happened but since its duke and unc people all over suddenly believe its dirty and premeditated. hes in mid air looking away and bringing his arm down after hansbrough has already been fouled. is that not natural? lets go with the false assumption that it was premediated and meant to hurt him. how exactly does somebody manage to hit somebody square in the nose at that speed while hansbrough is being fouled by somebody else and henderson is not even looking at him?

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

can we please start administering the wonderlic here at bp?

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

also, you need to learn what self-fulfilling prophecy actually means.

 

[BB73]

More in line with the title of this thread, how in the world can Duke be 8-8 in their conference, a #7 seed in the ACC tournament, and actually have been discussed as a possible #3 seed in the NCAA tournament yesterday?

I know the ACC is very good, but there's no way a team that's .500 in their conference even belongs in the conversation about #3 seeds.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

More in line with the title of this thread, how in the world can Duke be 8-8 in their conference, a #7 seed in the ACC tournament, and actually have been discussed as a possible #3 seed in the NCAA tournament yesterday?

actually, i think the discussion so far is directly in line with the title of this thread. as far as your question, i'm expecting it to be rhetorical.

 

[Jeffcat]

More in line with the title of this thread, how in the world can Duke be 8-8 in their conference, a #7 seed in the ACC tournament, and actually have been discussed as a possible #3 seed in the NCAA tournament yesterday?

I know the ACC is very good, but there's no way a team that's .500 in their conference even belongs in the conversation about #3 seeds.

its duke and thats about the only reason why. this is precisely why i hate them so much as a team. granted they have a strong schedule but you pretty much summed it up because they have no right in that conversation.

 

[BB73]

actually, i think the discussion so far is directly in line with the title of this thread. as far as your question, i'm expecting it to be rhetorical.

Well, if you don't respond, isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy?

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Well, if you don't respond, isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy?

i guess it depends on how liberally (read: poorly) you define the term.

 

[Jeffcat]

also, you need to learn what self-fulfilling prophecy actually means.

self-fulfilling prophecy-the case whereby people have an expectation about what another person is like which influences how they act toward that person which causes that person to behave consistently with people's original expectations, making the expectations come true.

you sincerely believe henderson did this intentionally despite what information from the tape we have seen shows. this type of prophecy carries over right into the heart of the unc-duke rivalry and college basketball itself by "dirtying" the image of the game when in reality its just blown out of proportion. will this lead to future acts of dirtyness in the game and unc-duke rivalry?....prolly not but by formulating a highly unlikely assumption from what we have seen people like you increase the tension of these matters and make them more hostile by acts of retaliation. the players are not oblivious to the news. they see the reports and some of them might even side with your assumptions and in doing so, especially the unc-duke rivalry, the next time there is a foul anything related to a hard foul on either side you increase the likelihood of there being retaliation by players and for what?......a blown out of proportion assumption that from what i and many others can see as an error. you wanted the definition and reasoning and i gave it to you.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

self-fulfilling prophecy-the case whereby people have an expectation about what another person is like which influences how they act toward that person which causes that person to behave consistently with people's original expectations, making the expectations come true.

did you get that mangled mess from jeffipedia?

you sincerely believe henderson did this intentionally despite what information from the tape we have seen shows.

you seriously believe that the tape shows us definitively what his intentions were? i never stated that i know that henderson intended to hurt hansbrough. i repeatedly stated that i think henderson's motive was to commit a hard foul.

you wanted the definition and reasoning and i gave it to you.

you gave me something, but it was definitely not the definition. and i could hardly call it "reasoning." it prolly was something completely different.

prolly. :p

 

[OH10]

Given the kamikaze nature of Henderson's pursuit of the play, the embarrassment with which he missed the actual ball he was supposed to be going for, and the fact that he hit Hansbrough hard enough to break his nose, I think a suspension for the entire ACC tournament would have been appropriate.

Apparently, Coach K doesn't mind being compared to Isiah Thomas. If you don't like getting you ass kicked, then don't get your ass kicked. It's that simple.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Given the kamikaze nature of Henderson's pursuit of the play, the embarrassment with which he missed the actual ball he was supposed to be going for, and the fact that he hit Hansbrough hard enough to break his nose, I think a suspension for the entire ACC tournament would have been appropriate.

i'd give you rep for that right now, stadium, but i'm fresh out. what some here can't get through their skulls is that the mere severity of the foul--independent of henderson's intent--is sufficient enough of a reason for him to be ejected and suspended. players just can't be permitted to commit harsh fouls like henderson did. what kind of precedent would be set if the conference allowed such behavior? ejection for the last 15 seconds of a game could never be adequate punishment.

 

[Jeffcat]

did you get that mangled mess from jeffipedia?
you seriously believe that the tape shows us definitively what his intentions were? i never stated that i know that henderson intended to hurt hansbrough. i repeatedly stated that i think henderson's motive was to commit a hard foul.
you gave me something, but it was definitely not the definition. and i could hardly call it "reasoning." it prolly was something completely different.

prolly. :p

actually that mangled mess came straight from the fifth edition of social psychology textbook used by the psych department at the ohio state university but hey if you want to dispute a psychological term that is unamimously defined by a staff of psychologists then be my guest.

ok you gain a little more credibility in my book by only thinking it was a hard foul. i personally believe otherwise but thats much more open to skepticism.

actually i gave you the exact definition from a psychology textbook. if you think you can find a better one then once again be my guest and enlighten us all with your "reasoning"...until then have fun poking at errors in spelling that i relly dOnt kare a-bout,

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

there is a social psychology term called a self fulfilling prophecy. thats exactly what the unc fans and people like you are creating. how is a player going up to block a shot suddenly doing something with "bad intentions". as ive said before i hate duke with a passion but i draw the line with reality. hansbrough went up with dookies all around him after he got the rebound and got hacked by one guy while he was in the air which already somewhat contorted his body then henderson was already in the air trying to block his shot as well. henderson realized the shot was "blocked" which is why he looked away and brought his arm STRAIGHT down to try to minimize contact of an already bad situation. a real life bball game doesnt have the luxury of slow motion and the ability to think. watch it at full speed. could you have done anything different?....sure you prolly could knowing what you do now but what happened is a very good possibility. if i put myself in his shoes and i went up for the block then i could see myself doing the same thing. its unfortunate that it happened but since its duke and unc people all over suddenly believe its dirty and premeditated. hes in mid air looking away and bringing his arm down after hansbrough has already been fouled. is that not natural? lets go with the false assumption that it was premediated and meant to hurt him. how exactly does somebody manage to hit somebody square in the nose at that speed while hansbrough is being fouled by somebody else and henderson is not even looking at him?

wow. i'm just wondering what replay you watched.



here's a random question not directed at anybody.....if it's such a horrible thing that UNC had their best players in at the end of the game, why does dook get to have their best players in?