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DT Luke Fickell (HC Wisconsin Badgers)

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John Droescher said:
You do realize UC is considered a basketball school right?
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pnuts34 said:
I live in Cincinnati. And Cincinnati is a stepping stone football school, and more of a football school since Kelly left. Most can’t even name the current UC basketball coach, but they know who a Fickell is. So your comment was off base
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Just sayin': I think John Droescher is correct. Most people would consider Cincinnati a basketball school. You have to look at the history of each program, i.e. they have had a notable basketball program going back in the 1950s (Jack Twyman and Oscar Robertson), 1960s (2 National Championships), 1970s (success under Gale Catlin), and 1989 - 2005 (success under Bob Huggins*). It will take more than a 5 years of "Fickell football" to erase 8 decades of the school's basketball dominance (over the school's football program) in most people's minds.

* yeah, he may have had a drinking problem and had a lot of players (let's say) had multiple opportunities to met police officers; however, he always had a very good team. His overall record was 399-127, he won his conference championship 12 of his 16 years there, and he was in the NCAA tournament his last 14 years.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Just sayin': I think John Droescher is correct. Most people would consider Cincinnati a basketball school. You have to look at the history of each program, i.e. they have had a notable basketball program going back in the 1950s (Jack Twyman and Oscar Robertson), 1960s (2 National Championships), 1970s (success under Gale Catlin), and 1989 - 2005 (success under Bob Huggins*). It will take more than a 5 years of "Fickell football" to erase 8 decades of the school's basketball dominance (over the school's football program) in most people's minds.

* yeah, he may have had a drinking problem and had a lot of players (let's say) had multiple opportunities to met police officers; however, he always had a very good team. His overall record was 399-127, he won his conference championship 12 of his 16 years there, and he was in the NCAA tournament his last 14 years.
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Huggins hasn’t been at UC in almost 20yrs, at this point he’s about as relevant as Oscar Robertson. Only people talking about him, are those over 40. And let’s be honest, football gets way more publicity than basketball in Ohio. UC’s identity now is tied more to Brian Kelly than it is to Huggins. If UC were a basketball team, than they’re basketball games would still sell out, regardless of their coach (they haven’t ), and most in Cincinnati have no clue who UC’s coach is. Huggins was the last UC coach with name and brand recognition, and like I said, he hasn’t coached here in almost 20yrs! Fickell is known every where in this city, even as much as Zac Taylor who was just in the Super bowl!
A basketball school would be like UNC, when the whole state knows the ball coach, but they don’t know football coach. And they’ve had a high profile coach, and a number of players in the NFL. Oscar Robertson is just another old guy when he goes to events, unless it’s a big dollar affair with a bunch of blue hairs. UC football coaches have taken helicopters to local football games here, I’ve barely seen a UC basketball coach even given much attention at a basketball game in Hs. And it’s not just the 5yrs of Fickell ball, Brian Kelly elevated the program, and from him to Fickell have made UC a football school
 
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pnuts34 said:
Huggins hasn’t been at UC in almost 20yrs, at this point he’s about as relevant as Oscar Robertson. Only people talking about him, are those over 40. And let’s be honest, football gets way more publicity than basketball in Ohio. UC’s identity now is tied more to Brian Kelly than it is to Huggins. If UC were a basketball team, than they’re basketball games would still sell out, regardless of their coach (they haven’t ), and most in Cincinnati have no clue who UC’s coach is. Huggins was the last UC coach with name and brand recognition, and like I said, he hasn’t coached here in almost 20yrs! Fickell is known every where in this city, even as much as Zac Taylor who was just in the Super bowl!
A basketball school would be like UNC, when the whole state knows the ball coach, but they don’t know football coach. And they’ve had a high profile coach, and a number of players in the NFL. Oscar Robertson is just another old guy when he goes to events, unless it’s a big dollar affair with a bunch of blue hairs. UC football coaches have taken helicopters to local football games here, I’ve barely seen a UC basketball coach even given much attention at a basketball game in Hs. And it’s not just the 5yrs of Fickell ball, Brian Kelly elevated the program, and from him to Fickell have made UC a football school
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Yeah, mabe Cincinnati is considered a football school to people under 40 that live in Cincinnati. I'm over 40 and I'm looking at a much bigger geographic area than Hamilton County when I say Cincinnati is still considered a basketball school. Woody who hasn't coached at Ohio State for over 40 years now is a significant factor as to why Ohio State is still considered a football school. In addition, I wouldn't say Archie Griffin is considered "just an old guy" when he attends an affair regardless of the attendee's ages, etc.

Just sayin'; The 10 Greatest Basketball Players of All Time

5. Oscar Robertson
Oh jeez, this guy. While I’m too young to have ever seen him play, his statistics are so mind-blowing that I wish I had a time machine for the express purpose of going back and seeing him in action. During the 1961–62 season, “The Big O” averaged a triple-double with 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 11.4 assists per game. Oh, and the 12-time All-Star also helped initiate true free agency into the NBA through a landmark antitrust suit, an accomplishment just as impressive as his jaw-dropping on-court exploits.

https://www.britannica.com/list/the-10-greatest-basketball-players-of-all-time
 
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Fickell has done more in his coaching career than Ryan Day, and I don’t think it’s close. His resume is eye popping. Two national championships at OSU, turning around Tubervile’s dumpster fire at UC, multiple COY awards, taking a group of 5 to a NY6, and taking the only group of 5 to the CFP. Wisconsin hit a triple here. :sneaky:
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Yeah, mabe Cincinnati is considered a football school to people under 40 that live in Cincinnati. I'm over 40 and I'm looking at a much bigger geographic area than Hamilton County when I say Cincinnati is still considered a basketball school. Woody who hasn't coached at Ohio State for over 40 years now is a significant factor as to why Ohio State is still considered a football school. In addition, I wouldn't say Archie Griffin is considered "just an old guy" when he attends an affair regardless of the attendee's ages, etc.

Just sayin'; The 10 Greatest Basketball Players of All Time

5. Oscar Robertson
Oh jeez, this guy. While I’m too young to have ever seen him play, his statistics are so mind-blowing that I wish I had a time machine for the express purpose of going back and seeing him in action. During the 1961–62 season, “The Big O” averaged a triple-double with 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 11.4 assists per game. Oh, and the 12-time All-Star also helped initiate true free agency into the NBA through a landmark antitrust suit, an accomplishment just as impressive as his jaw-dropping on-court exploits.

https://www.britannica.com/list/the-10-greatest-basketball-players-of-all-time
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UC basketball can barely make March madness, and lost to NKU this year. The fact that you’re bringing up coaches and players from decades ago shows that their basketball team has little relevance.
OSU is a football school, yes many would know of Woody and Archie. Nationally, very few could name another UC basketball coach other Huggins. Nationally OSU has multiple coaches that the public would know. If you ask someone randomly they could name a UC football coach faster than they could a basketball coach not named Huggins. UC fans old and young were never prouder than when they made a BCS bowl game and OSU didn’t. I’ve lived in multiple states other than OH and seen both of these scenarios first hand.

And that’s great to list the Big O, but if that’s you’re last relevant UC basketball player, than you’ve already made MY point…
 
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heisman said:
Fickell has done more in his coaching career than Ryan Day, and I don’t think it’s close. His resume is eye popping. Two national championships at OSU, turning around Tubervile’s dumpster fire at UC, multiple COY awards, taking a group of 5 to a NY6, and taking the only group of 5 to the CFP. Wisconsin hit a triple here. :sneaky:
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If Ryan Day can't fix the obvious issues currently within the program and a change is made down the road, I hope we can still bring Luke home.

Would have preferred he stayed at UC, but this is a great move for his career.
 
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pnuts34 said:
And that’s great to list the Big O, but if that’s you’re last relevant UC basketball player, than you’ve already made MY point…
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I'll say all these (list below) were relevant when they played at UC as they were drafted by the NBA; like players drafted from any school, some made bigger impacts at UC than they did in the NBA. I do remember Kenyon Martin being the undisputed National Player Of The Year and the top draft pick in 2000. I don't actually remember this one, but Tom Thacker was the first pick in the NBA draft in 1963.

Former Cincinnati basketball players drafted in the NBA since 1960 (the year Oscar Robertson was drafted):

2022 1 17 Tari Eason F 6-8 216 So * 21 LSU Houston Rockets 0
2018 1 28 Jacob Evans SG 6-6 210 Jr * 21 Cincinnati Golden State Warriors 2
2010 2 40 Lance Stephenson SG 6-6 230 Fr * 19 Cincinnati Indiana Pacers 10
2006 2 31 James White SF 6-7 215 Sr 23 Cincinnati Portland Trail Blazers POR to IND 3
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell PF 6-7 260 Sr 22 Cincinnati Detroit Pistons 10
2005 2 51 Robert Whaley C 6-10 260 Sr 23 Walsh Utah Jazz 1
2002 2 29 Steve Logan G 5-10 195 Sr 22 Cincinnati Golden State Warriors GOS to DAL 0
2001 2 53 Kenny Satterfield PG 6-2 186 So * 20 Cincinnati Dallas Mavericks DAL to DEN 3
2000 1 1 Kenyon Martin F 6-9 240 Sr 22 Cincinnati New Jersey Nets 15
2000 1 6 DerMarr Johnson GF 6-9 201 Fr * 20 Cincinnati Atlanta Hawks 8
2000 2 58 Pete Mickeal SF 6-6 225 Sr 22 Cincinnati Dallas Mavericks DAL to NYK 2
1999 2 54 Melvin Levett G 6-3 215 Sr 23 Cincinnati Detroit Pistons DET to LAL 1
1998 2 31 Ruben Patterson F-G 6-5 223 Sr 22 Cincinnati Los Angeles Lakers 10
1997 1 10 Danny Fortson F 6-7 260 Jr * 21 Cincinnati Milwaukee Bucks MIL to DEN 10
1994 2 37 Dontonio Wingfield F 6-8 256 Fr * 20 Cincinnati Seattle SuperSonics 4
1993 1 25 Corie Blount PF 6-9 240 Sr 24 Cincinnati Chicago Bulls 11
1993 2 37 Nick Van Exel PG 6-1 170 Sr 21 Cincinnati Los Angeles Lakers 13
1986 3 51 Mike Williams F 6-8 255 Sr 22 Bradley Golden State Warriors 3
1983 4 73 Dwight Jones PF 6-8 215 Sr N/A Cincinnati Cleveland Cavaliers 1
1982 7 158 Bobby Austin - N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Milwaukee Bucks 0
1981 8 162 David Kennedy - N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Dallas Mavericks 0
1980 3 48 Eddie Lee PG 6-4 180 Sr 22 Cincinnati Denver Nuggets 0
1978 3 59 Pat Cummings FC 6-9 230 Jr 21 Cincinnati Milwaukee Bucks 13
1978 4 85 Bob Miller PF 6-10 230 Sr 21 Cincinnati Phoenix Suns 2
1977 3 47 Gary Yoder SG 6-4 185 Sr N/A Cincinnati Milwaukee Bucks 1
1975 7 124 Mike Franklin - N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Buffalo Braves 1
1974 4 60 Lloyd Batts SG 6-4 180 Sr 23 Cincinnati Kansas City Kings 1
1973 2 29 Derrek Dickey F 6-7 218 Sr 22 Cincinnati Golden State Warriors 6
1973 15 194 Lionel Harris - N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Philadelphia Sixers 0
1970 1 6 Jim Ard PF 6-8 215 Sr 21 Cincinnati Seattle SuperSonics 4
1970 12 185 Don Ogletree - N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Detroit Pistons 0
1969 1 15 Rick Roberson FC 6-9 231 Sr 21 Cincinnati Los Angeles Lakers 7
1969 9 122 Gordon Smith - N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Boston Celtics 1
1968 17 201 John Howard - N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 0
1967 11 118 Ken Callaway - N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 0
1966 8 73 Roland West GF 6-4 178 Jr 21 Cincinnati Washington Wizards 1
1965 9 73 Ron Krick PF 6-8 N/A Jr N/A Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 0
1964 1 2 Jiff Wilson FC 6-8 225 Sr 21 Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 7
1964 2 16 Ron Bonham F 6-5 192 Sr 21 Cincinnati Boston Celtics 2
1963 1 1 Tom Thacker G 6-2 170 Sr 23 Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 4
1963 5 41 Tony Yates PG N/A N/A Sr 25 Cincinnati St. Louis Hawks 0
1962 1 2 Paul Hogue C 6-9 240 Sr 21 Cincinnati New York Knicks 2
1961 2 11 Bob Wiesenhahn F 6-4 215 Sr 22 Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 1
1961 14 106 Carl Bouldin G 6-2 180 Sr 21 Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 0
1960 1 1 Oscar Robertson G 6-5 220 Sr 21 Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 14
1960 3 17 Ralph Davis SG 6-4 180 Sr 21 Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 2
1960 19 98 Larry Willey PF N/A N/A Sr N/A Cincinnati Cincinnati Royals 0

https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Conference-USA/9/Cincinnati/63/nba-draft
 
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NFBuck said:
If Ryan Day can't fix the obvious issues currently within the program and a change is made down the road, I hope we can still bring Luke home.

Would have preferred he stayed at UC, but this is a great move for his career.
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Lincoln Riley about to usher USC into the Big Ten. We're entering Big 3 - Little 13 territory. No disrespect to Luke or Matt Rhule (or James Franklin), but they're not closing that ground until 2024 at least.
 
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