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Donald Sterling and his comments

I worked at a convenience store and this guy came in and lifted a couple of cartons of cigarettes. One of the customers told me and I caught the guy in the alley at 17th and Summit. He had a jacket across his shoulder to hide the cigarettes. He moved the jacket and he had 3 cartons. I took them back and he told me he took them because he was hungry. I told him next time steal a sandwich. If he had I probably would have let him walk. The older I get the more jaded I am becoming I'm afraid. ..
 
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It's a basic philosophy of some, not just whites, that there "isn't enough to go 'round." We are the riches country in the world! There is plenty for all. It's just our "priorities". As a Christian based society, our "priorities" are set in the Bible. We can find "common ground" of that I have no doubt. If we can't even talk to each other without it becoming hatefully dogmatic, how will this democracy survive? It won't.

So... maybe these are the actual mindsets to worry about?
 
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Eh, our economy grew quite well during the time periods (i.e. 1930s on...) in which we had high taxes, an influx of minimum wage, workplace safety laws, and unions. Maybe it had something to do with a strong middle class having money to spend on consumer products marketed by the upper class; thus, benefitting everybody. Or it could all just be a coincidence.

Who knows? I ain't hurting so I'm just grateful for the gifts that have been given to me via decades of what I perceive (in hindsight) to be... progress.
Problem is the middle class... such as it is is rich in this current mindset. You're not hurtin.

Its all relative. My point is that there's a difference between promoting growth and stoking class warfare. This isn't economics, its political economy.

The only threat that inequality has on society is political. If it really were one, the things you mention might be stronger forces.

Perceive what you want, but today, this isn't progress. Its the economy of the last century.
 
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Problem is the middle class... such as it is is rich in this current mindset. You're not hurtin.

Its all relative. My point is that there's a difference between promoting growth and stoking class warfare. This isn't economics, its political economy.

The only threat that inequality has on society is political. If it really were one, the things you mention might be stronger forces.

Perceive what you want, but today, this isn't progress. Its the economy of the last century.

"Class warfare" is what happened to Louis XIV - despite comparisons made by a couple billionaires of our current political climate to pre-Holocaust Nazi Germany (hilarious comedy). I still think things like health care, livable wages, and working conditions are important (somehow Walmart just keeps popping into my head as I say these things). Just because they're better now than a century ago doesn't mean we just forget their importance. What we are dealing with now is a attempted compromise of economic awareness and common sense morality in a generally thriving society.
 
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Here is the question about Sterling that has been bugging me for the past two weeks: why is the criticism and action being taken against him focused exclusively on race (which I think is justified)? As egregious as they are, his misogynistic attitude and behaviors are much worse! Yet they are for the most part (there are a few exceptions: see article below) passed over by the media, the NBA owners, and most message board conversations. What does this say about us?

http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-comme...owner-donald-sterling-oprah-winfrey-other-ism
 
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Here is the question about Sterling that has been bugging me for the past two weeks: why is the criticism and action being taken against him focused exclusively on race (which I think is justified)? As egregious as they are, his misogynistic attitude and behaviors are much worse! Yet they are for the most part (there are a few exceptions) passed over by the media, the NBA owners, and most conversations. What does this say about us?

At least to me, it says they'll tolerate a lot so long as it doesn't directly jeopardize the goose that is laying the golden eggs at present.
 
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Here is the question about Sterling that has been bugging me for the past two weeks: why is the criticism and action being taken against him focused exclusively on race (which I think is justified)? As egregious as they are, his misogynistic attitude and behaviors are much worse! Yet they are for the most part (there are a few exceptions: see article below) passed over by the media, the NBA owners, and most message board conversations. What does this say about us?

http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-comme...owner-donald-sterling-oprah-winfrey-other-ism
At least to me, it says they'll tolerate a lot so long as it doesn't directly jeopardize the goose that is laying the golden eggs at present.
FTW!!!

What's lost in much of this discussion is that the ritual stoning of Donald Sterling by the other NBA owners has fuck-all to do with morals and everything to do with commerce. Having said that, a benefit that results from an impure motive brings to mind the old proverb about the gift horse.
 
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Mark Cuban jumps into the fray - ESPN

"In this day and age, this country has really come a long way putting any type of bigotry behind us, regardless of who it's toward," Cuban said Wednesday. "We've come a long way, and with that progress comes a price. We're a lot more vigilant and we're a lot less tolerant of different views, and it's not necessarily easy for everybody to adapt or evolve.

"I mean, we're all prejudiced in one way or another. If I see a black kid in a hoodie and it's late at night, I'm walking to the other side of the street. And if on that side of the street, there's a guy that has tattoos all over his face -- white guy, bald head, tattoos everywhere -- I'm walking back to the other side of the street. And the list goes on of stereotypes that we all live up to and are fearful of. So in my businesses, I try not to be hypocritical. I know that I'm not perfect. I know that I live in a glass house, and it's not appropriate for me to throw stones."

Cuban's comments come at a particularly sensitive time for the NBA, which is the midst of trying to force Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling to sell his team after he made racially charged comments on an audiotape. Sterling was banned for life and fined $2.5 million by NBA commissioner Adam Silver after the release of a TMZ recording in which he told a female friend, V. Stiviano, not to bring black people to Clippers games.
 
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At least to me, it says they'll tolerate a lot so long as it doesn't directly jeopardize the goose that is laying the golden eggs at present. FTW!!!

What's lost in much of this discussion is that the ritual stoning of Donald Sterling by the other NBA owners has fuck-all to do with morals and everything to do with commerce. Having said that, a benefit that results from an impure motive brings to mind the old proverb about the gift horse.

Well, that explains the owners....and yes, I agree it is all about money. If they were not worried about the potential financial hit, they would let Sterling be. However, that doesn't answer why the media ignores the question of misogyny, nor why it is ignored in most conversations between individuals, including the board right here. Nor does it answer why the NBA fears the label "racist", which they should, but not "sexist."
 
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I'd say part of it is because something like 80% of the league is black. Zero percent is female.

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"Class warfare" is what happened to Louis XIV - despite comparisons made by a couple billionaires of our current political climate to pre-Holocaust Nazi Germany (hilarious comedy). I still think things like health care, livable wages, and working conditions are important (somehow Walmart just keeps popping into my head as I say these things). Just because they're better now than a century ago doesn't mean we just forget their importance.

OK, I'll rephrase to "class envy" - which really isn't all that far off from "check your privilege" either. Of course to me, it really just means "shut up" but on the other hand, back to the "____ Pride" issue, and whether one group has been made to be ashamed of their race/culture/heritage/bi-ci-homo-eroto-pluralsexuality. Indeed, that's what "check your privilege is also about. Again, as I mentioned before, it becomes no one. It's the devolution into "eye-for and eye" equality.

What we are dealing with now is a attempted compromise of economic awareness and common sense morality in a generally thriving society.

No better economic policy that that hard and fast, iron clad concept, "common sense morality"
 
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Stiviano denies having sexual relationship with Sterling

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Stiviano denies being Donald Sterling's mistress and says she sees nothing wrong with accepting lavish gifts from the billionaire.

"I've never had any sexual relationship with Mr. Sterling," Stiviano said Wednesday on "Dr. Phil." She added that although Sterling said he's in love with her and she called him "honey" in their infamous recorded conversation, "He is in love with me as a person, as a human being ... I call everyone 'honey' and 'love' and 'sweetie.'"

Stiviano said that while the gifts she received from Sterling —€” reportedly including a $1.8 million duplex, a Ferrari, two Bentleys and a Range Rover —€” were not part of her salary as his personal assistant, she sees nothing wrong with accepting them from a married man.

"I can't discuss the details of my financial payments," she said and added, "He's a billionaire. He can afford to give someone a gift of that magnitude ... Why can't someone who has such wealth give someone like myself, or other people, whatever they want to?"

"Why would it be improper to accept gifts from a married man? I was accepting gifts from someone who was my boss, who was very generous ... I was his caretaker. I was his mother. I was his secretary. I was his driver. I did everything for this man for the last three years."

Entire article: http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/...g-mistress-says-no-sexual-relationship-052214

Yeah right, I also believe in the tooth fairy. :roll1:
 
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