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'Django Unchained' Actress detained and cuffed

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BUCKYLE said:
I know there are cops around here and that I generally give the profession tons of [Mark May], so let me be clear. ..

I have respect for police. That being said, if I suck at and hate my customers at my job, big fucking deal. If a cop sucks at their job and is an asshole, I could end up serving time in prison. And telling the difference between good ones and bad ones is hard enough at times that by the time you find out, its too late.
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settle down there honkey or ill slap the cuffs on you!
 
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BUCKYLE said:
If a cop sucks at their job and is an asshole, I could end up serving time in prison. And telling the difference between good ones and bad ones is hard enough at times that by the time you find out, its too late.
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So making their job that much harder by fucking refusing to simply ID yourself when lawfully asked is the right approach? If a cop states he's responding to a call and asks me to ID myself you bet your ass I will, because:
1.) It's the fucking law, and
2.) It'll show I'm not who he's looking for
Now, if some dipshit cop is just strutting down the street arbitrarily asking folks for ID, then yeah, you'd have a point. Otherwise, just pull out your ID and tell him you aren't the droid he's looking for...
 
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If a police officer walks up to me and asks me for my ID and I know I haven't even arguably done something wrong, I'm going to tell that government worker to go pound sand.

It seems like everyone hates the government until they're actually in your face and then people are willing to bend over. Fuck that.
 
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I mean, from the audio, it was pretty clear to me at least, that after she told him she had a publicist, he realized she wasn't a criminal, yet he kept up. At which point, it wasn't about protecting or serving, it was about a regular citizen having the audacity to not submit to his ego and authority. He clearly states that if she just gives up her Id, he's gone. So why push it? Because he's THE LAW, and the only people above the law are cops.
 
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I think we're all in agreement that if a cop is being an asshole asking to ID people for no reason then refusing when asked is not an issue.

However, this lady thought because she has a publicist and social stature that she's above suspicion. Honestly, the cop is right. It would have taken less than a minute for her to identify herself, explain the misunderstanding about the call and be done with it.

Being combative without reason or direction is simply spewing vile. I take more issue with this actress feeling because she has that title, her shit doesn't stink.
 
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OH10 said:
If a police officer walks up to me and asks me for my ID and I know I haven't even arguably done something wrong, I'm going to tell that government worker to go pound sand.
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Then you go to jail, tough guy.

BUCKYLE said:
I mean, from the audio, it was pretty clear to me at least, that after she told him she had a publicist, he realized she wasn't a criminal, yet he kept up. At which point, it wasn't about protecting or serving, it was about a regular citizen having the audacity to not submit to his ego and authority. He clearly states that if she just gives up her Id, he's gone. So why push it? Because he's THE LAW, and the only people above the law are cops.
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So, the law doesn't apply to her just because she has a fucking publicist. The cop showed absolutely no "ego" and showed professionalism in not getting irate at her ego and attitude.
 
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I had a real experience when I first moved down here regarding IDs and cops. My friend got pulled over in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea (small village on A1A just North of Ft Lauderdale notorious for traffic tickets to make their money) about 11:30 at night due to the fact her tag was expired by a week. When the cop came to her window he asked for her ID. Then he came back a minute later and asked for the IDs for the rest of us in the vehicle. All I did was ask the officer "why do you need my ID?" and he went off like I was resisting arrest and told us that everyone would go to jail if we did not give him our "God Damn IDs!!" We complied just so we could get the situation done and go home, but all three of us lodged a complaint with the station. Nothing was done and all three of us were basically laughed at by the person on the other end.

I was upset at how it was handled, but I knew not pursue the question and get harassed or arrested and just handed over my ID. If she would have done the same, then no big deal. Some things are just not worth the hassle.
 
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OH10 said:
If a police officer walks up to me and asks me for my ID and I know I haven't even arguably done something wrong, I'm going to tell that government worker to go pound sand.

It seems like everyone hates the government until they're actually in your face and then people are willing to bend over. Fuck that.
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The correct thing to do is ask 'what for officer?'

What it seems some people fail to forget is sometimes the police are asking you to ID yourself because they are searching for someone in that area and you fit a general description of that person. Being argumentative and uncooperative does nothing to help the situation.

I'm as much against unlawful search/seizure/restraint/etc. as the next so long as it's within reason. If you ask the officer what for when he stops you and he doesn't reply, then I have no issues with someone denying his request, but if he comes at you with a perfectly legitimate one, it's wise to go along as he has every right to request proof of your ID and failure to do so only harms you, not him (or her, for my PC folk).
 
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bigdog3300 said:
The correct thing to do is ask 'what for officer?'

What it seems some people fail to forget is sometimes the police are asking you to ID yourself because they are searching for someone in that area and you fit a general description of that person. Being argumentative and uncooperative does nothing to help the situation.

I'm as much against unlawful search/seizure/restraint/etc. as the next so long as it's within reason. If you ask the officer what for when he stops you and he doesn't reply, then I have no issues with someone denying his request, but if he comes at you with a perfectly legitimate one, it's wise to go along as he has every right to request proof of your ID and failure to do so only harms you, not him (or her, for my PC folk).
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Here's the double-edged sword:

On one hand, the Supreme Court says we have to give an officer our identification if they ask for it. Forget the whole "reasonable suspicion" bullshit because citizens aren't qualified to make that judgment, so we just have to fucking comply no matter what and then rely on the courts (ha!) to sort it out later - which never happens.

On another hand, the Supreme Court says that engaging an officer in conversation qualifies as a consensual encounter whereby they no longer need "reasonable suspicion" to justify stopping you. So by asking the cop, 'what for officer?' you've now negated the need for him to justify stopping you.

It's a quagmire of 4th Amendment jurisprudence that basically means that the police can do whatever the fuck they want and if you dare to exercise your rights, then, as Mili astutely pointed out:

"Then you go to jail, tough guy."

I wish this country gave 1/100 the shit about the 4th Amendment that it does about the 2nd Amendment. This shit wouldn't happen.

EDIT: And you're goddamn right I would go to jail. Small price to pay to exercise my rights. It actually happened to me once before and the case was dismissed because I promised not to sue. I wish I could have that back.
 
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buxfan4life said:
I had a real experience when I first moved down here regarding IDs and cops. My friend got pulled over in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea (small village on A1A just North of Ft Lauderdale notorious for traffic tickets to make their money) about 11:30 at night due to the fact her tag was expired by a week. When the cop came to her window he asked for her ID. Then he came back a minute later and asked for the IDs for the rest of us in the vehicle. All I did was ask the officer "why do you need my ID?" and he went off like I was resisting arrest and told us that everyone would go to jail if we did not give him our "God Damn IDs!!" We complied just so we could get the situation done and go home, but all three of us lodged a complaint with the station. Nothing was done and all three of us were basically laughed at by the person on the other end.

I was upset at how it was handled, but I knew not pursue the question and get harassed or arrested and just handed over my ID. If she would have done the same, then no big deal. Some things are just not worth the hassle.
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What he did was perfectly legal. And that's the problem. The Courts no longer enforce the 4th Amendment. It's just a minor inconvenience for government officials with badges - and barely that.
 
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If you're detained, you'll have to decide if withholding your identity is worth the possibility of arrest or a prolonged detention. In cases of mistaken identity, revealing who you are might help to resolve the situation quickly. On the other hand, if you're on parole in California, for example, revealing your identity could lead to a legal search. Knowing your state's laws can help you make the best choice.
Remember that the officer's decision to detain you will not always hold up in court. Reasonable suspicion is a vague legal standard, and police often make mistakes. So if you're searched or arrested following an officer's ID request, you may contact an attorney to discuss the incident and explore your legal options.
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http://www.knowmyrights.org/knowledgebase/faq/police-encounters/when-do-i-have-to-show-id
 
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I'm just not clear on why it's such a big fucking deal to provide ID. I'm a fairly ornery cuss, but can't see myself making an issue over handing over my driver's license so the cop knows who he's dealing with. I'd rather he call me "Mr. Maxbuck" than "hey, asshole" (though admittedly the situation often devolves, for me, from the former to the latter ...).
 
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MaxBuck said:
I'm just not clear on why it's such a big fucking deal to provide ID. I'm a fairly ornery cuss, but can't see myself making an issue over handing over my driver's license so the cop knows who he's dealing with. I'd rather he call me "Mr. Maxbuck" than "hey, asshole" (though admittedly the situation often devolves, for me, from the former to the latter ...).
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I feel Mr. Asshole is a fair compromise.
 
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