Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

[alexhortdog95]

You've made numerous posts contrasting this with other sports 'scandals' including OSU.

I will say this again, this is a serial child rape case that happens to have the back drop of a major University. Aside from that, one has nothing to do with the other. Wishing this on anyone or taking joy from this because of where it happened strikes me as quite disgusting. I would trade the pain that these children have suffered, and will continue to suffer at the hands of this monster, for 100 losses to PSU. Why? Because that is trivial, miniscule, and meaningless.

Listen....

I'm not trying to lighten what happened here. I posted yesterday, on this very thread, that if someone messes with MY children, my wife is talking to me on the other side of the glass.

And again, I'm not trying to look at the 'scandal' aspect of what happened and the act that got other schools in trouble. My goal in my previous post here, was to show the level of hypocracy by a guy who prided his public image on integrity, loyalty, and honor.

Basically, all the goodwill that Joe Pa has built up over sixty plus years is out the door in one foul swoop.

And THAT's my view on if he should be allowed to coach on Saturday. My answer? Hell no. What he allowed to happen stoops lower than the lowest level, and he doesn't deserve to be on the same field with players and other coaches who have vowed to continue doing the right thing.

That's the point of my post. Not to attempt to compare OSU, or Miami to PSU. ONLY looking at the Joe Pa aspect.

Hopefully this clears it up. Not meaning to offend or lessen the impact here.

 

[Mac]

Just curious since I don't know much about the NCAA rules. Is there anyway the NCAA could start an investigation and come down with sanctions?

Again I'm just curious if there's any rules about this in the NCAA handbook/rule book. Nor is this the only justice I hope served. So before you start bashing me, "that's all you care about?" it's not, trust me

 

[localyokel]

Disgusting all around. Every single person that had any kind of knowledge whether it true or not (turned out to be true) should be canned. How do you not investigate/bring attention to the authorities about something like this. It makes me sick.

What I keep imagining, is the first time after the McQ report, that JoePa was strolling across campus and bumped into Sandusky. How did that conversation go, exactly?

"Oh, hey there, Jerr...didn't expect to run into you...thought for sure you were in the slammer. Oh, well...so, who do you like in the Steelers game Sunday?"

 

[alexhortdog95]

Just curious since I don't know much about the NCAA rules. Is there anyway the NCAA could start an investigation and come down with sanctions?

Again I'm just curious if there's any rules about this in the NCAA handbook/rule book. Nor is this the only justice I hope served. So before you start bashing me, "that's all you care about?" it's not, trust me

NCAA President Mark Emmert stated this morning that they are letting the authorities do their thing first before they attempt to see if the NCAA is going to come down on PSU.

There's a couple of radio guys here stating that they've been running JoePa out there this long just to break Eddie Robinson and Stagg's records.

 

[matcar]

Just curious since I don't know much about the NCAA rules. Is there anyway the NCAA could start an investigation and come down with sanctions?

Again I'm just curious if there's any rules about this in the NCAA handbook/rule book. Nor is this the only justice I hope served. So before you start bashing me, "that's all you care about?" it's not, trust me

Personally, I hope the NCAA doesn't touch this. I really don't want the NCAA weighing in on legal matters such as this. Really...I think the NCAA has taken over too much as it is, and the precedence set by this could be huge... Do you really want the NCAA coming in and levying penalties when laws are broken by players or coaches? I sure don't....I'd rather leave that to the actual court system and the schools.

Seems to me that the NCAA rules are there primarily to protect fairness in competition and to protect the student athlete. I don't think that really applies (and yeah, I get that Jerry could have been an aggressor to a student-athlete as well, but that doesn't appear to be the case.)

 

[Zurp]

NCAA President Mark Emmert stated this morning that they are letting the authorities do their thing first before they attempt to see if the NCAA is going to come down on PSU.

I think that's the right way to handle it. This is far greater than the NCAA, and the NCAA shouldn't think that it is theirs to attack. Give it some time to let the courts and other legal mumbo-jumbo groups get in and hopefully shove some umbrellas up some asses (and then open the referenced umbrellas) before the NCAA goes in to determine what, if anything, should be done from the athletic standpoint.

 

[LightningRod]

Just curious since I don't know much about the NCAA rules. Is there anyway the NCAA could start an investigation and come down with sanctions?

Again I'm just curious if there's any rules about this in the NCAA handbook/rule book. Nor is this the only justice I hope served. So before you start bashing me, "that's all you care about?" it's not, trust me

The following provision is contained in the General Principles section of the current NCAA Div 1 handbook:

19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct. Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young
people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be
influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.

The question is whether a violation of this pronouncement is sufficient to give rise to a violation or whether this provision comes into play only in the administration of other NCAA rules. There is not a great deal in the handbook that covers the Sandusky situation.

 

[Mac]

NCAA President Mark Emmert stated this morning that they are letting the authorities do their thing first before they attempt to see if the NCAA is going to come down on PSU.

I think that's the right way to handle it. This is far greater than the NCAA, and the NCAA shouldn't think that it is theirs to attack. Give it some time to let the courts and other legal mumbo-jumbo groups get in and hopefully shove some umbrellas up some asses (and then open the referenced umbrellas) before the NCAA goes in to determine what, if anything, should be done from the athletic standpoint.

Thank you for the info.

And I agree Zurp, definitely let these scumbags be hit with as stiff of a penalty as possible.

 

[Class'13]

Anyone else just catch Tom Rinaldi on College Football Live repeatedly say "As of right now, Graham Spanier is still the President of Ohio State University."? He repeated it 2 or 3 times.

 

[alexhortdog95]

The following provision is contained in the General Principles section of the current NCAA Div 1 handbook:



The question is whether a violation of this pronouncement is sufficient to give rise to a violation or whether this provision comes into play only in the administration of other NCAA rules. There is not a great deal in the handbook that covers the Sandusky situation.

We probably need to see his contract with the school. There has to be some sort of morality clause in there.

If not, they're a bunch of idiots.....that grab handrails as trophies.

LOL

 

[Mac]

The following provision is contained in the General Principles section of the current NCAA Div 1 handbook:

The question is whether a violation of this pronouncement is sufficient to give rise to a violation or whether this provision comes into play only in the administration of other NCAA rules. There is not a great deal in the handbook that covers the Sandusky situation.

Probably because they didn't think there would be a situation like this. I'm not surprised there's not much in there.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Probably because they didn't think there would be a situation like this. I'm not surprised there's not much in there.

I mean, be realistic...

How....why would you even put something like this in the rule book?!?

 

[Nicknam4]

Just curious since I don't know much about the NCAA rules. Is there anyway the NCAA could start an investigation and come down with sanctions?

Again I'm just curious if there's any rules about this in the NCAA handbook/rule book. Nor is this the only justice I hope served. So before you start bashing me, "that's all you care about?" it's not, trust me

Is Child Molestation against NCAA rules?

 

[alexhortdog95]

Is Child Molestation against NCAA rules?

Uh, no. But they don't have a rule for this kind of stuff.....again....why would you?!?

 

[Deety]

The following provision is contained in the General Principles section of the current NCAA Div 1 handbook:



The question is whether a violation of this pronouncement is sufficient to give rise to a violation or whether this provision comes into play only in the administration of other NCAA rules. There is not a great deal in the handbook that covers the Sandusky situation.

The cover-up may have been motivated by the desire to continue to churn football profits unabated, so addressing ill-gotten gains might be appropriate for the NCAA.

I'd hate to see the players, who can also be considered to have been betrayed by coaches they trusted, damaged in this. I've already mentioned it, but will repeat - players ought to be allowed to get out of that dysfunctional situation asap without having to sit out a year somewhere else as punishment for transferring. Parents and players should not have to decide between getting out of a horrible atmosphere and continuing their career progression on schedule.