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Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

BuckeyeMike80;2028736; said:
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And the bad part is, those fucking inbred retard hillbilly Penn State fans will STILL cover for this old fucking pervert.

I know its easy to get off track on this one and I'm not busting your balls but about once per page in this thread I think we need a collective sanity check that the bad part is the damage done to those kids.

The football fanbase smack talking stuff is so secondary to that its not even funny. I dislike PSU fans as much as anyone but I'd listen to them run their mouth about Tressel for the rest of time if it could somehow undo what's happened to these children.

Hopefully Sandusky is in federal pound me in the ass prison soon, after that let the firing/public humiliation chips fall where they may. I'm not the most sensitive motherfucker who has ever lived but I have 2 kids of my own and I just can't really enjoy ripping PSU over this just yet.
 
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This will never happen, but shouldn't BTN be attacking this story with investigative reporters (if BTN has any)? It's the conference network and is owned partly by the conference, therefore is in the business of promoting the conference, but seems like for transparency, BTN should go after investigative stories like Penn State and Ohio State.

But until CBS or ESPN goes after the SEC, Texas or USC (for anything), I'd sit on the sidelines too (if I were BTN).

Yahoo! Sports investigates more than CBS and ESPN combined.
 
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scarletmike;2028722; said:
Holy hell, I mention to my mom that JoePa isn't looking so squeaky clean in all this, and the first thing she says? "Kinda like Tressel, huh?" :smash: :smash: :smash:

I swear, she doesn't understand a damn thing about either situation. She's driven me nuts since January with all of her preaching and not understanding a thing about this stuff.

"Gee mom thanks for telling me that if a teacher saw me being raped and didn't stop it or call the police you'd hold it in the same ball park as if I broke a school rule and he didn't tell anyone. Love you too!"

Saw31;2028702; said:

That is a depressing read.

You can see how many people saw bits and things, were suspicious but didn't want to ruin a man's life over thinks they weren't absolutely sure about. That has to be devastating for many of them.

McQueary (if it was him) on the other hand should face public censure for the rest of his pathetic life for not stepping in and stopping a child from being sodomized.
 
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I don't understand why someone who has observed a rape in progress would not immediately go to the police. It's just inconceivable to me. To Paterno and the AD it's just hearsay, and I can see how they might not want to rush to judgment. But after seeing a rape, you go to your boss and not the proper authorities (the police)? Just flabbergasting.
 
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MaxBuck;2028841; said:
I don't understand why someone who has observed a rape in progress would not immediately go to the police. It's just inconceivable to me. To Paterno and the AD it's just hearsay, and I can see how they might not want to rush to judgment. But after seeing a rape, you go to your boss and not the proper authorities (the police)? Just flabbergasting.

I agree. I can almost give the guy a solid few minutes to let his brain process what his eyes were showing him if that makes sense (anyone walking in on that is going to be in shock and there is just no telling how any of us would react initially) but after that if you aren't doing something more significant than telling your boss about it you are barely a step up from the pedo in my mind.
 
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LightningRod;2028852; said:
I don't understand why somebody seeing a rape in progress on a 10 year old would not first free that young boy from that act.

I'd have to think it stopped just by his walking in on it to be honest.

If it didn't and he didn't stop it then he needs to be in prison as well. Honestly I never even considered it the way you said it until just now. My God this is sick.
 
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How many FOIA requests will there be for e-mails, performance reviews, etc. regarding Paterno, Sandusky, President Spanier, AD Curley, former GA McQueary, VP for Business and Finance Schultz, Second Mile and others?

Sandusky worked for JoePa for 32 years, the last 23 as his DC. Sandusky started Second Mile in 1977. It's easy to imagine that there were a lot more victims than the 8 that apparently were abused between 1994 and 2009.

There must be an avalanche of lawyers descending on the state of Pennsylvania trying to locate the families if Second Mile kids. The amount of financial liability that Penn State has, regarding every kid that may have been abused by Sandusky, especially after he was investigated in 1998, and caught red-handed in 2002, is astounding. Those cases are each worth millions of dollars.

JoePa's legacy is certainly going to be tainted by this. If the GA told JoePa on the next day that Sandusky was screwing the kid in the shower, and the AD/VP being charged with perjury both say that they didn't know that sexual abuse occurred in the shower, couldn't that mean that JoePa didn't accurately report up the chain the alleged crime by his longtime friend? EDIT - according to the grand jury document, Paterno met with the AD and VP, and then a few days later the GA had a meeting with the AD and VP about 10 days after he talked to JoePa, and JoePa wasn't at that meeting.The perjury charges stem directly from the differing accounts of what was said at that meeting between the GA and the AD and VP.

But, hey, Joe Pa probably didn't even have an email account in 2002, so he may be in the clear. :tongue2:

Obviously the AD will be canned, and this will be JoePa's last year. But since the new AD should be the one that selects JoePa's replacement, will they force Spanier out before they choose the new AD?

But Penn State won't have to vacate any wins because of this. Too bad nobody will be able to vacate the memories of numerous boys' experiences in the showers with Jerry Sandusky.
 
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This guy could also have done something and also turned a blind eye. Former Centre County DA Ray Gricar's reasons for not pursuing case against Jerry Sandusky are unknown

Prosecutor Ray Gricar wasn?t one to be intimidated by high-profile cases.

He didn?t dabble in politics or enjoy limelight.

Ray GricarView full sizeAP Photo/Centre Daily Times, Nabil K. Mark, 2005Former Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar
Gricar, who went missing in 2005 and declared dead in July, was an introverted man who affiliated himself with few and wasn?t easily swayed by others.

?He was a very kind of private but independent guy,? said Bob Buehner, the Montour County district attorney. ?He didn?t belong to a lot of organizations. I would say he was fiercely independent.?

That?s actually been one major roadblock for investigators in his missing-persons case: It?s hard to get inside his head.

The state attorney general?s office says Gricar is the one who made the decision not to prosecute Jerry Sandusky in 1998, when two kids reported that Sandusky washed them during a shower.

Gricar was also the county?s top prosecutor when many of the other inappropriate acts were alleged to have happened. But before the allegations brought by a boy in Clinton County in 2009, the 23-page grand jury presentment says police were only ever notified once: in 1998.

According to those who were present during that investigation, Gricar seemed to be the one who made the decision not to prosecute.

We?ll probably never know why.

Gricar disappeared April 15, 2005, after taking a day off work to drive to Lewisburg. His disappearance has been the subject of a lot of speculation.

His laptop hard drive, which was found dumped in the Susquehanna River near where his car was parked in Lewisburg, was too badly damaged by water to be read.

What information on that computer was destroyed is left to conjecture.

A member of law enforcement who was in the room with Gricar when police presented him with the 1998 allegations against Sandusky said Gricar led the investigation.

He tried to get information by having officers hide in the home of one of the victims as the mother confronted Sandusky.

But that source said he isn?t sure how Gricar came to his final decision not to prosecute the case.

Jerry Lauro, the investigator for the state Department of Welfare is mentioned in the grand-jury presentment as having interviewed Sandusky, along with now-retired Penn State police Officer Ron Schreffler.

The presentment says Sandusky admitted to showering naked with the victim and admitted it was wrong.

?I had no decision-making authority or power in any of these cases,? Lauro said, when contacted Saturday. ?They are left up to the district attorney to decide. In all of the hundreds of cases that I ran, I never let anyone influence me.?

Schreffler declined to comment.

Gricar pursued several controversial football player cases, the prosecutions of students involved in the 2001 downtown State College riot.

Steve Sloane, an assistant prosecutor in his office, handled most of those cases, and is known as one of Gricar?s closest work confidants.

?He wasn?t media savvy,? Sloane said. ?He didn?t read local papers and follow local gossip. It wouldn?t have mattered if it was Joe Paterno or a 10-repeat felon. He would treat them the same way if they were legit suspected of committing crimes.?

But he wasn?t a rash prosecutor, either, Buehner said.

?I would say this about Ray: He would be extremely cautious in proceeding because he wanted to make sure that there would be a reasonable likelihood of conviction. You don?t want to go after someone high profile unless you have a compelling case.?

There?s no indication that Gricar was notified in 2002, when a graduate assistant reported to head coach Joe Paterno that he witnessed Sandusky and a young boy engaged in a sex act in the shower of the Lasch Building the day before Spring Break.

That?s the case in which the grand-jury panel found that Athletic Director Tim Curley and top executive Gary Schultz should have reported to police, but didn?t, according to the indictment from the state attorney general.

Under law, certain educational leaders are required to report possible sex abuse.

By then, however, the 1998 report that was labeled ?unfounded? because Gricar decided not to press charges, and would have been expunged. State law requires Children and Youth Services to delete all notes after one year and four months.

First Assistant District Attorney Mark Smith, who is still with that office, took over Gricar?s position for eight months following the disappearance until an election was held. Smith said he doesn?t recall anything being brought to his attention about allegations against Sandusky.

The next district attorney to be elected in Centre County was Michael Madeira, and there?s no indication he knew about the older reports, either.

He is the prosecutor who referred the most recent case ? in Clinton County ? to the attorney general soon after it was reported early in 2009. Madeira gave the case up, citing a conflict of interest.

By the time his successor, current District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller, took office, the attorney general?s office had been working the case for an entire year and a grand jury already was hearing testimony.
 
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LightningRod;2028852; said:
I don't understand why somebody seeing a rape in progress on a 10 year old would not first free that young boy from that act.

+1 Get the kid out and to a safe place, preferably an ER, where the docs/staff would get the kid the help he needed and the police could get the evidence they needed to get that monster off the street.
 
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"Spanier described it as 'Jerry Sandusky in the football building locker area in the shower with a younger child and that they were horsing around in the shower.' Spanier testified that even in April, 2011, he did not know the identity of the staff member who had reported the behavior. Spanier denied that it was reported to him as an incident that was sexual in nature and acknowledged that Curley and Schultz had not indicated any plan to report the matter to any law enforcement authority, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Department of Public welfare or any appropriate county child protective services agency.

Emphasis mine... Are you kidding me??? "Yeah I heard about Sandusky messing around in the shower with a little kid, but I didn't know it was sexual.

This is physically disgusting... On so many levels and with so many people...
 
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In this photo provided by the Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General, former Penn State football defensive coordinator Gerald "Jerry" Sandusky, center, is placed in a police car iin Bellefonte, Pa. to be taken to the office of a Centre County Magisterial District judge on Saturday, Nov. 5, 2011. Sandusky is charged with sexually abusing eight young men. Also, Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and Penn State vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz, 62, are expected to turn themselves in on Monday on charges of perjury and failure to report under Pennsylvania?s child protective services law in connection with the investigation into the abuse allegations against Sandusky. (AP Photo/Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General, Commonwealth Media Services)
 
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xcrunner;2028871; said:
"Spanier described it as 'Jerry Sandusky in the football building locker area in the shower with a younger child and that they were horsing around in the shower.' Spanier testified that even in April, 2011, he did not know the identity of the staff member who had reported the behavior. Spanier denied that it was reported to him as an incident that was sexual in nature and acknowledged that Curley and Schultz had not indicated any plan to report the matter to any law enforcement authority, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Department of Public welfare or any appropriate county child protective services agency.

Emphasis mine... Are you kidding me??? "Yeah I heard about Sandusky messing around in the shower with a little kid, but I didn't know it was sexual.

This is physically disgusting... On so many levels and with so many people...

The local political power base won't cover this one up. The state powers have stepped into the matter.

State Senator Jeffrey Piccola, R-Dauphin County, told the Patriot-News Saturday that Penn State?s board of trustees should be disturbed by the allegations brought to light by the grand jury in the Sandusky case and that an investigation into the university?s response is warranted. As the chairman of the state Senate Education Committee, Piccola?s in a position where his ?suggestions? carry a little more weight than some hack with a keyboard and Internet access.

Piccola also questioned the tack taken by PSU president Graham Spanier, who released a statement yesterday expressing unconditional support for Curley and the other school official facing charges, vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz.

?A university president defending an indicted employee? I mean, he shouldn?t make any judgment on guilt or innocence. That?s not his role. He needs to distance himself from that,? said Piccola.

?This is a major blemish on the reputation of Penn State University. This makes recruiting violations look like small potatoes.?



Piccola is 100-percent correct. This is not tattoos in Columbus or hookers in South Beach or shady recruiting services in Eugene. This is a university employee allegedly committing at least one act of sexual abuse of children on school grounds in 2002, in the locker room of the football building no less, and the administration, in essence, sat on its collective hands.

An exhaustive, independent investigation of the Penn State administration that overturns every sordid rock should and must be conducted. Two questions must be answered above all else: one, what did Curley and other university officials know and, two, if they knew of even one incident, why were the authorities not contacted.

There should be no sacred cows, from Spanier, who per the grand jury indictment was made aware of the 2002 incident and signed off on a slap of Sandusky?s wrist, all the way down to the coaching legend, who informed Curley of the same incident but must explain why he didn?t contact law enforcement after it became clear the university would not act on the information in their possession. Anyone who?s culpable, either through inaction or active participation into what amounts to a coverup, must be held accountable.
 
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