Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

[BuckeyeNation27]

Does anybody believe that the length of the investigation and the timing of bringing the charges had nothing to do with allowing JoePa to get win #409 before the shit hit the fan?

There should be an investigation of the investigation, conducted entirely by non-PSU and non-Pennsylvania folks.

I wouldn't go that far. I'd certainly lead that charge as fairly as they deserve to be treated.

 

[LightningRod]

Jerry Sandusky trial: Coach accused of abusing children has histrionic personality disorder, expert to testify

People with histrionic personality disorder need to be the center of attention, the life of the party.
They?re dramatic, with exaggerated expressions. They?re shallow, often obsessed with their looks. They?re seductive, impulsive. They?re constantly seeking approval.
Think Scarlett O?Hara in ?Gone With the Wind.?
?If you are sitting beside someone with histrionic personality disorder, you?re probably not going to miss it,? said Sandy Gordon, a licensed clinical social worker and owner of Capital Area Counseling Service in Wormleysburg.
It?s fairly uncommon, but chances are the disorder will be getting a lot of attention in the wake of Jerry Sandusky?s attorneys? claims in court motions that they want to call an expert to testify that the former Penn State University assistant football coach has the condition.
The disorder, Sandusky?s attorneys said in the motion, could explain why their client?s letters to alleged victims might seem strange to others reading them. The motion was filed Monday, the first day of Sandusky?s trial on child sex abuse charges involving 10 boys.
People with histrionic personality disorder can stand out in a crowd, said Scott Bunce, associate professor of psychiatry and a clinician at the Pennsylvania Psychiatric Institute.
?They?re big, and they tell stories, and they have a lot of color,? Bunce said. ?In the right setting, they have 100 best friends.?
Histrionic personality disorder is not particularly common. Some estimates show that no more than 2 percent or 3 percent of the population have it, Bunce said.
And it?s not associated with pedophilia.
?We do not know exactly what causes histrionic personality disorder,? Bunce said. ?Most mental health professionals believe it?s some combination of inherited factors and learned behavior. We don?t really have the tools or the research to know the exact cause of it.?
Narcissists and people with histrionic personality disorder tend to be self-involved, but narcissists use other people to meet their needs, not just for attention, Bunce said.
They don?t often come in for therapy. They?re the life of the party, and don?t see this as a problem, he said. But if their constant need for attention isn?t met, the resulting anxiety or depression could send them to a therapist?s couch.
It?s reported that the disorder is more common in women, but Bunce says it?s because women tend to seek help from therapists more often than men do.
Even if someone seeks help, Gordon said personality disorders are difficult to treat.
Unlike anxiety or depression, a personality disorder is pervasive, she said. It?s part of who a person is.
There also aren?t any really good pharmacological treatment for these patients, Bunce said.
Long-term therapy can be helpful, he said, but because those with the disorder dislike routine, get bored easily and only deal with people on a shallow level, treatment is an uphill battle.
People with histrionic personality disorder need to be the center of attention, the life of the party.
They?re dramatic, with exaggerated expressions. They?re shallow, often obsessed with their looks. They?re seductive, impulsive. They?re constantly seeking approval.
Think Scarlett O?Hara in ?Gone With the Wind.?
?If you are sitting beside someone with histrionic personality disorder, you?re probably not going to miss it,? said Sandy Gordon, a licensed clinical social worker and owner of Capital Area Counseling Service in Wormleysburg.
It?s fairly uncommon, but chances are the disorder will be getting a lot of attention in the wake of Jerry Sandusky?s attorneys? claims in court motions that they want to call an expert to testify that the former Penn State University assistant football coach has the condition.
The disorder, Sandusky?s attorneys said in the motion, could explain why their client?s letters to alleged victims might seem strange to others reading them. The motion was filed Monday, the first day of Sandusky?s trial on child sex abuse charges involving 10 boys.
People with histrionic personality disorder can stand out in a crowd, said Scott Bunce, associate professor of psychiatry and a clinician at the Pennsylvania Psychiatric Institute.
?They?re big, and they tell stories, and they have a lot of color,? Bunce said. ?In the right setting, they have 100 best friends.?
Histrionic personality disorder is not particularly common. Some estimates show that no more than 2 percent or 3 percent of the population have it, Bunce said.
And it?s not associated with pedophilia.
?We do not know exactly what causes histrionic personality disorder,? Bunce said. ?Most mental health professionals believe it?s some combination of inherited factors and learned behavior. We don?t really have the tools or the research to know the exact cause of it.?
Narcissists and people with histrionic personality disorder tend to be self-involved, but narcissists use other people to meet their needs, not just for attention, Bunce said.
They don?t often come in for therapy. They?re the life of the party, and don?t see this as a problem, he said. But if their constant need for attention isn?t met, the resulting anxiety or depression could send them to a therapist?s couch.
It?s reported that the disorder is more common in women, but Bunce says it?s because women tend to seek help from therapists more often than men do.
Even if someone seeks help, Gordon said personality disorders are difficult to treat.
Unlike anxiety or depression, a personality disorder is pervasive, she said. It?s part of who a person is.
There also aren?t any really good pharmacological treatment for these patients, Bunce said.
Long-term therapy can be helpful, he said, but because those with the disorder dislike routine, get bored easily and only deal with people on a shallow level, treatment is an uphill battle.

 

[jlb1705]

Jerry Sandusky trial: Coach accused of abusing children has histrionic personality disorder, expert to testify

Being an attention whore is not a disorder, and it is most definitely not an excuse or defense for being a sex predator.

The best part...

People with histrionic personality disorder need to be the center of attention, the life of the party. They're dramatic, with exaggerated expressions. They're shallow, often obsessed with their looks. They're seductive, impulsive. They're constantly seeking approval...

...It's reported that the disorder is more common in women

 

[Mac]

Yeah okay so almost every female has that disorder. GTFO with that rubbish. Just like jlb said, being an attention whore doesn't mean you can go around raping little boys. That argument makes no sense in the fact it is not relating to the real issue of Jerry liking lithe boys

 

[LightningRod]

I believe the defense is trying to explain away the existence of the letters by arguing that Sandusky has and had this personality disorder in which he impulsively created these letters while maintaining that Sandusky did not engage in any sexual contact with the boys. Run it up the flag pole and see if anybody salutes.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I always felt like Joe Paterno loved the smell of his own farts even before I knew he tried to wish away a child rapist

 

[jlb1705]

Not that they're actually "defending" Sandusky or anything...

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9066058&p=6

There have been numerous times where I have seen grown men with young boys in the showers at places such as the YMCA. I didn't think anything of it. For one, there were never any sexual acts or such other than real touching. Secondly, I didn't know them, so I assumed it was their actual father. Simply though, it is not uncommon at a gym/YMCA to see that.

Before you start saying, "OMG, you Pennsylvanians are messed up!" I saw it most when I lived in Dayton, OH (because I went to the YMCA daily there).

Young man, there's no need to feel down
I said young man, pick yourself off the ground
I said young man, 'cause your in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy
Young man, there's a place you can go
I said young man, when you're short on your dough
You can stay there and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A
They have everything for young men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
​

At least a couple PSU posters stepped in on the next page and spoke unequivocally about how much of a monster Sandusky is and how bad everybody else is shaking their heads in disbelief at Penn State because of the stupid, evil things their fans are saying to try to rationalize this.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

I always felt like Joe Paterno loved the smell of his own farts even before I knew he tried to wish away a child rapist

Well, doesn't everyone love the smell of their own farts? No?

 

[DaveyBoy]

Nearly every PSU fan I've ever known feasted on every opportunity possible to claim PSU's program as morally superior.

not so morally superior now

Not that they're actually "defending" Sandusky or anything...

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9066058&p=6

Young man, there's no need to feel down
I said young man, pick yourself off the ground
I said young man, 'cause your in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy
Young man, there's a place you can go
I said young man, when you're short on your dough
You can stay there and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A
They have everything for young men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
​

At least a couple PSU posters stepped in on the next page and spoke unequivocally about how much of a monster Sandusky is and how bad everybody else is shaking their heads in disbelief at Penn State because of the stupid, evil things their fans are saying to try to rationalize this.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Not that they're actually "defending" Sandusky or anything...

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9066058&p=6

Some fucking numbskull going by Tyler74 posted this gem:

Mr. Right is back again! Just as you actively campaign for the destruction of Joe Paterno and anything with which he was associated.

JFC. Fucking Joe Paterno is dead, dipshit. You can't destroy what's dead. Don't try and deflect blame. This isn't about your Grand Poobah Paterno, but rather about a sick fucking pedophile...

 

[NFBuck]

Some [censored]ing numbskull going by Tyler74 posted this gem:


JFC. [censored]ing Joe Paterno is dead, dip[Mark May]. You can't destroy what's dead. Don't try and deflect blame. This isn't about your Grand Poobah Paterno, but rather about a sick [censored]ing pedophile...

Not to mention, outside of their sick tucking cult, joepa's "image " was largely shattered in November.

Subhuman freaks...

 

[LightningRod]

More on McQueary's testimony. His dad will testify today.

Jerry Sandusky?s defense has been built around the idea that if Mike McQueary could be broken on the stand, the entire case would crumble underneath him. In the last seven months, since Sandusky was charged with sexually abusing 10 boys over 14 years, lead defense attorney Joe Amendola has repeatedly said his theory is that a majority of the accusers heard that McQueary came forward, realized Penn State could be involved, and saw this as an opportunity to file a lawsuit.

But when McQueary left the witness chair on the second day of Sandusky?s trial Tuesday, defense attorney Karl Rominger had no gotcha moment.
His cross-examination did hit on some interesting points, however.
He got McQueary to say that he never was 100 percent sure about the date of the incident. And that?s why prosecutors had to change the date of what he alleges from March 1, 2002, to Feb. 9, 2001.
Rominger also said McQueary never told family confidant, Dr. Jonathan Dranov, that he saw a boy peer from around a shower corner and a man?s arm pull him back. Dranov has testified before a grand jury that McQueary told him he hadn?t seen anything sexual in the shower that night.
McQueary responded by saying that he toned down his story when he spoke to certain people, partly out of embarrassment.
Rominger asked McQueary about emails released in November that McQueary wrote to friends, saying ?I didn?t just turn and run, I made sure it stopped.?
McQueary said he was talking about slamming the locker-room door to alert Sandusky in an attempt to stop anything inappropriate that was happening.
?I didn?t turn around and run from something I saw and never talk about it again,? he said.
And Rominger pointed out that never before ? in at least eight times recounting his story ? has McQueary said that he looked at Sandusky and the boy three times. In the past, he has mentioned only twice.
But McQueary?s testimony has been consistent in one aspect that might overcome all of that: He is convincingly confident with every single word.
He was collected and made intense eye contact. He cracked several jokes, but also set a forceful tone as he stared down Sandusky when asked if he had any doubts about who and what he?d seen.
?No doubts at all,? he said.
One of the most captivating parts of his testimony was when prosecutors showed jurors photographs of the locker room, shot from the angles McQueary says he witnessed the incident.
Prosecutors used dummies ? one adult and one child ? to show the jurors the position McQueary described.
It?s the first time those images have been made public, and it gave onlookers a better understanding of his testimony that he saw the acts first through a mirror, turned to his right to slam his locker and then peered around to look directly into the shower.

cont'd

 

[AJHawkfan]

So far, the defense's arguments have been "the kids are all lying", "all they want is money", "but see, my client has this mental disorder", "they can't even remember exactly what date the alleged abuse took place, so they must be lying"......"mental disorder".......

Wouldn't surprise me if Amendola tries the George Costanza-sex-with-the-cleaning-lady defense: "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? If someone had only told me not to...." Either that, or they'll throw the blame at the feet of the administration - "Hey, the AD, VP and University President all knew what my client was doing and didn't stop him, so he figured it was cool."

 

[tsteele316]

So far, the defense's arguments have been "the kids are all lying", "all they want is money", "but see, my client has this mental disorder", "they can't even remember exactly what date the alleged abuse took place, so they must be lying"......"mental disorder".......

Wouldn't surprise me if Amendola tries the George Costanza-sex-with-the-cleaning-lady defense: "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? If someone had only told me not to...." Either that, or they'll throw the blame at the feet of the administration - "Hey, the AD, VP and University President all knew what my client was doing and didn't stop him, so he figured it was cool."

it's almost like a plot line from a law and order episode. "my client didn't do it, but if he did, it's because he's got psychological problems". the only thing this trial needs is for sam waterson to go apeshit on somebody.

 

[Taosman]

"All that talk about honor and integrity, all that pride in a football team, and then all that cowardice and inaction and failure when it mattered most."
Phil Sheridan
http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-...er-and-schultz-football-team-football-program