Defending yourself in your home

[MaxBuck]

Maybe instead he should advise caution on the advisability of going to illegal gambling setups late at night & shooting at people through closed doors without identifying them.

Yeah, that too.

 

[MaxBuck]

$20 says at least one of your immediate neighbors owns a firearm.

Pay up, Muck. Send me a PM and I'll send you my mailing address.:tongue2:

 

[Muck]

Pay up, Muck. Send me a PM and I'll send you my mailing address.:tongue2:

You'll excuse me for not taking your word for it.

I'll need your neighbor's home phone numbers.

Just under half of households own firearms, the odds aren't in your favor.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

Obviously I dont think everyone should be forced to own a gun, further I know plenty of people I would prefer never had a gun in their control. However, assuming that owning a gun puts you at a higher risk of household injury seems odd to me unless you want to start checking stats on how many people are hurt or kill with kitchen knives, firecrackers, broken glass, dogs, kids sticking things in outlets, and a million other ways to get hurt around your house.

To me owning a firearm for self-defense is an option for someone who prefers to be more self reliant and not expect any government agency to be able to help them incase of emergency.

 

[MaxBuck]

Just under half of households own firearms...

Yeah, but 75% of that half has wheels mounted under the floorboards.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

You'll excuse me for not taking your word for it.

I'll need your neighbor's home phone numbers.

Just under half of households own firearms, the odds aren't in your favor.

"Just under half of households owns firearms" means the odds are not in Max's favor? See, I read that and see that less than 50% of homes have a gun. This would mean it is MORE likely that my neighboor does not have a gun. Not that it matters, but it would seem the odds aren't in your favor, Muck.

Obviously I dont think everyone should be forced to own a gun, further I know plenty of people I would prefer never had a gun in their control. However, assuming that owning a gun puts you at a higher risk of household injury seems odd to me unless you want to start checking stats on how many people are hurt or kill with kitchen knives, firecrackers, broken glass, dogs, kids sticking things in outlets, and a million other ways to get hurt around your house.

Couple things - I agree with you that it is one's own decision to keep a gun or not, likewise, I don't see anyone arguing compulsory ownership of weapons. I do have to note, however, that of all the other potentially harmful things you mention that are also in a house, not one of them is designed and made for the express and lone purpose of killing. You can't cut a steak with a 9mm, if you dig what Im saying here.

To me owning a firearm for self-defense is an option for someone who prefers to be more self reliant and not expect any government agency to be able to help them incase of emergency.

I have no issue with this either, and frankly I also don't expect the Government to "save" me in the case of an emergency. My whole point has been the chances of that emergency ever presenting itself in the first place is - in my estimation - far too remote to justify the risk of keeping a deadly weapon in my house.

I've been alive for 37 years now, and not once has my house been broken in to while I've been home. Could it happen? Sure. It's just not likely to.

I know one person (It would be two, but my grandfather is dead) in my family who has had a break in of their home. It was my grandparents, and it happend in the 1980s while they were away on a 2 week vacation. They returned home to find, ironically, the only things the badguys took were my grandfather's hunting rifles. Go figure.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

Yeah, but 75% of that half has wheels mounted under the floorboards.

Ouch.. wow... thats low... and no, ive never lived in a trailer.

"Just under half of households owns firearms" means the odds are not in Max's favor? See, I read that and see that less than 50% of homes have a gun. This would mean it is MORE likely that my neighboor does not have a gun. Not that it matters, but it would seem the odds aren't in your favor, Muck.

Assuming Max has more than one neighbor you are not correct BKB.


Finally, guns arent here SOLELY for killing.. they are also fun

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Assuming Max has more than one neighbor you are not correct BKB.

This, and the fact that there was a chick with really great tits in my class, is why I struggled so mightily with Statistics.

Finally, guns arent here SOLELY for killing.. they are also fun

I enjoy target shooting as much as the next guy, but guns are designed and made for the sole purpose of killing. There is no other use.

 

[MaxBuck]

Ouch.. wow... thats low... and no, ive never lived in a trailer. ...

Assuming Max has more than one neighbor you are not correct BKB.

My rude sarcasm (:p) was intended only to point out that demographics of one's neighborhood plays a significant role in handgun ownership. My 'hood is definitely not Nine-central.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

My rude sarcasm (:p) was intended only to point out that demographics of one's neighborhood plays a significant role in handgun ownership. My 'hood is definitely not Nine-central.

Yeah.... that's what I meant when I said the chances weren't good statistically.

Or something similar...

I think...

 

[Muck]

Not that it matters, but it would seem the odds aren't in your favor, Muck.

Really?

45% chance per household.

Eight households adjacent (left/right, behind, across the street & the diagnals) gives us a 99.1627% chance that at least one of those households will have a firearm present.

You only feel like counting the houses on either side? No problem, the chance drops to 69.75%.

Time to brush up on your bionomial distributions.

Yes there are other factors involved as ownership is not evenly distributed, and pure math problems rarely fit perfectly when human behavior is involved. Still I'd take the odds...

My rude sarcasm (:p)

You spelled "ignorant prejudice" incorrectly.

was intended only to point out that demographics of one's neighborhood plays a significant role in handgun ownership. My 'hood is definitely not Nine-central.

Firearm ownership rises along with income. Those po'folks you're making fun of are statistically less likely to own firearms than the Rockefellers next door.

*Gun ownership is lower (17%) among people in low-income households (less than $15,000 income) and higher in households with incomes between $35,000 and $50,000 (47%) and between $50,001 and $75,000 (51%).

*source: Harris Interactive Poll 2001

* Firearm ownership was 19% in the less than $20,000 income bracket, significantly lower than households with greater incomes, and was significantly lower in households in which parents had the least education (19.7%) versus those with college degrees (38.5%; P<.05)

*source: 1998, vol. 33, no4, pp. 589-593 (26 ref.)
Firearm ownership in households with children. DRONGOWSKI R. A. ; SMITH S. J. ; CORAN A. G. ; CULLEN M. L - C.S. Mott Children's Hospital, Ann Arbor, MI, ETATS-UNIS
Children's Hospital of Michigan, Detroit, MI, ETATS-UNIS

* RESULTS: The prevalence of firearm ownership was 37% (95% confidence interval = 35.4 to 38.6). Ownership of firearms was significantly higher for white residents, households with annual income of $20,000 or more, those in rural counties, and those with children and adolescents.

*Source: Inj Prev. 1996 December; 2(4): 278–282.
Firearm ownership and storage practices in Pennsylvania homes.
S. N. Forjuoh, J. H. Coben, and S. R. Dearwater
Department of Emergency Medicine, Center for Injury Research and Control, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213-2582, USA.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Muck - did you just miss this:

This, and the fact that there was a chick with really great tits in my class, is why I struggled so mightily with Statistics.

 

[Muck]

Muck - did you just miss this:

Yes, yes I did. All is forgiven

 

[BuckeyeRyn]

Binomial distributions or boobies.... hmmm... definitely a no-brainer, even for me.

 

[FKAGobucks877]

I completely understand where BKB is coming from, and don't have a problem with his personal choice to not own a gun. I have a huge problem with my A-hole neighbor MaxBuck telling me I can't own one. Guess what? It isn't your call. It's mine.

Also, for crying out loud, stop crying about the accidental shooting bullshit. It's rare, and (at least in my opinion) is WAY donw on the list of shit to fix. I'm going to start with the stuff that's a lot higher on the list.