Decanonized Mythologized Disgraced Ped State Monster Coach Joe Paterno (Zombie Icon)

[LordJeffBuck]

Of course, by now we all know that Paterno was a complete fraud and morally and ethically bankrupt when it came to protecting his "legacy"

I was actually working along similar lines this morning.

Everyone knows that Paterno holds the record for most wins in Division I (409), but longevity records have never really impressed me. In terms of winning percentage and national championships, Paterno is certainly not as worthy of the outrageous legacy that he has earned amongst Penn State fans.

Here is how Paterno compares to other "legendary" coaches throughout college football history, in terms of winning percentage and national championships at the Division I-A level:

Head Coach..(primary team)...Years...Wins...Loss...Ties...Pct...NCs
Knute Rockne..(Notre Dame).....13.....105.....12.....5....881....4..
Frank Leahy..(Notre Dame)......13.....107.....13.....9....864....6..
Barry Switzer..(Oklahoma)......16.....157.....29.....4...837....3..
Tom Osborne..(Nebraska)........25.....255.....49.....3...836....3..
Fielding.Yost..(Michigan)......28.....190.....34...12....831....6..
Bob Neyland..(Tennessee).......21.....173.....31....12...829....3..
Bud Wilkinson..(Oklahoma)......17.....145.....29.....4...826....3..
Urban Meyer..(Florida).........10.....103.....23.....0...817....2..
Pete Carroll..(Southern Cal)....9......83.....19.....0....813....2..
Jock Sutherland..(Pitt)........20.....144.....28....14...812....5..
Frank Thomas..(Alabama)........15.....115.....24.....7...812....1..
Jim Tressel..(Ohio State)......10......94.....22.....0....810....1..
Bob Devaney..(Nebraska)........16.....136.....30.....7...806....2..
Charles.Daly..(Army)............8......58.....13....3....804....2..
Bob Stoops..(Oklahoma).........13.....139.....34.....0...803....1..
Larry Coker..(Miami)............6......60.....15.....0...800....1..
Biggie Munn..(Michigan State)...8......58.....14.....2....797....2..
Gil Dobie..(Cornell)...........33.....182.....45....15...783....2..
Bear Bryant..(Alabama).........38.....323.....85....17...780....6..
Bo.Schembechler..(Michigan)....27.....234.....65....8....775....0..
Gus Henderson..(Tulsa).........17.....115.....32.....5...773....0..
Fritz Crisler..(Princeton).....18.....116.....32.....9...768....3..
Wallace.Wade..(Alabama)........24.....171.....49...10....765....3..
Andy Smith..(California).......17.....116.....32....13...761....3..
Woody Hayes..(Ohio State)......30.....219.....66....10....759....5..
Red Blaik..(Army)..............25.....166.....48....14...759....3..
Lloyd Carr..(Michigan).........13.....122.....40.....0...753....1..
Frank Kush..(Arizona State)....22.....173.....57.....1....751....0..
John McKay..(Southern Cal).....16.....127.....40.....8....749....4..
Darrell.Royal..(Texas).........20.....184.....60....5....749....3..
Joe Paterno..(Penn State)......46.....409....136.....3....749....2..
Phil Fulmer..(Tennessee).......17.....152.....52.....0...745....1..
Bobby Petrino..(Arkansas).......8......76.....25.....0...743....0..
Bill Roper..(Princeton)........18......96.....28....17...741....4..
Ara Parseghian..(Notre Dame)...24.....170.....58.....6....739....3..
Pop Warner..(Pitt).............31.....205.....65....24...738....4..
Mark Richt..(Georgia)..........11.....106.....38.....0...736....0..
Bobby Bowden..(Florida State)..40.....345....123.....4....735....2..
Howard Jones..(Southern Cal)...29.....194.....64....21....733....3..
Les Miles..(Louisiana State)...11.....103.....39.....0....725....1..
Steve Spurrier..(Florida)......22.....197.....75.....2...723....1..
Nick Saban..(Alabama/LSU)......16.....141.....54.....1....722....3..
Dana Bible..(Texas A+M)........30.....186.....65....21....722....1..
Francis Schmidt..(Ohio State)..24.....156.....58....11....718....0..
LaVell Edwards..(BYU)..........29.....257....101.....3...716....1..
Vince Dooley..(Georgia)........25.....201.....77....10...715....1..
Bobby Dodd..(Georgia Tech).....22.....165.....64.....8....713....1..
Bernie Bierman..(Minnesota)....23.....137.....59.....9...711....5..
John Heisman..(Georgia Tech)...34.....171.....66....16....708....1..
Frank Broyles..(Arkansas)......20.....149.....62.....6...700....1..
Jimmy Johnson..(Miami).........10......81.....34.....3...699....1..
Amos Alonzo Stagg..(Chicago)...41.....269....114....29....688...1..
Shug Jordan..(Auburn)..........25.....176.....83.....6...675....1..
Lou Holtz..(Notre Dame)........30.....236....112.....7....675....1..
Mack Brown..(Texas)............27.....221....108.....1...671....1..
Danny Ford..(Clemson)..........17.....122.....59.....5...669....1..
Dennis Erickson..(Miami).......23.....179.....96.....1...650....2..
John Robinson..(Southern Cal)..18.....132.....77.....4....629....1..
Robert Zuppke..(Illinois)......29.....131.....81....12...612....4..
Duffy Daugherty..(Mich State)..19.....109.....69.....5....609....2..


So, amongst so-called "legendary" coaches, Paterno falls pretty much right in the middle as far a winning percentage is concerned, behind such luminaries as Gus Henderson, Frank Kush, Andy Smith, and Gil Dobie.

Since 1933, twenty-three (23) head coaches have won multiple recognized national championships:


Head Coach..(primary team)...Years....NCs....NC/Year..
Frank Leahy..(Notre Dame)......13......6......1/2.17..
John McKay..(Southern Cal).....16......4......1/4.00..
Jock Sutherland..(Pitt)........20......5......1/4.00..
Biggie Munn (Michigan State)....8......2......1/4.00..
Pete Carroll..(Southern Cal)....9......2......1/4.50..
Bernie Bierman..(Minnesota)....23......5......1/4.60..
Urban Meyer..(Florida).........10......2......1/5.00..
Barry Switzer..(Oklahoma)......16......3......1/5.33..
Nick Saban (Alabama/LSU).......16......3......1/5.33..
Bud Wilkinson..(Oklahoma)......17......3......1/5.67..
Fritz Crisler (Princeton)......18......3......1/6.00..
Woody Hayes..(Ohio State)......30......5......1/6.00..
Bear Bryant..(Alabama).........38......6......1/6.33..
Darrell Royal (Texas)..........20......3......1/6.67..
Bob Neyland..(Tennessee).......21......3......1/7.00..
Ara Parseghian..(Notre Dame)...24......3......1/8.00..
Bob Devaney..(Nebraska)........16......2......1/8.00..
Tom Osborne..(Nebraska)........25......3......1/8.33..
Red Blaik..(Army)..............25......3......1/8.33..
Duffy Daugherty..(Mich State)..19......2......1/9.50..
Dennis Erickson..(Miami).......23......2.....1/11.50..
Bobby Bowden..(Florida State)..40......2.....1/20.00..
Joe Paterno..(Penn State)......46......2.....1/23.00..


As a winner of multiple national championships, Paterno is obviously in a select group. However, within that group, he is dead last in terms of frequency of winning national championships, with one title every 23 years. The other twenty-two (22) coaches with multiple national championships averaged one title every 6.21 years, which means that Paterno won titles at a rate nearly four times slower than his peers. Take fellow longevity champ Bobby Bowden out of the mix, and the remaining twenty-one (21) coaches won a title every 5.81 years, which further reduces Paterno's effectiveness versus his peers.

Again, Paterno was a fine coach, but his career accomplishments are nothing worthy of his cult-leader status in Happy Valley.

EDIT: One final point, which references back to BKB's original thesis - in the 27 years prior to joining the Big Ten, Paterno scheduled Big Ten schools exactly eleven times[sup]1[/sup]. His record in those games was 5-6, with four of those wins coming against bottom of the barrel Iowa teams in the early 1970's (combined record of 7-36-1, winning percentage of .170). So while Paterno was getting fat against the Rutgers, Temples, and Marylands of the college football world, he was clearly ducking the Big Ten schools.
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[sup]1[/sup] Paterno also had a win against Ohio State in the 1980 Fiesta Bowl, to even his record against the Big Ten at 6-6.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

WTF was that? I hope that ref never did another game ever.

Wasn't he the father of a player on the ped aggy team? It was either 82 or 86, and the key missed call at home was made by a ref that JoePed hired to do home games and just happened to be the father of a player.

Beano Cook actually called this back when ped aggy joined the Big Ten, that JoePed wouldn't be able to compete because he could no longer cook the home officiating.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

So while Paterno was getting fat against the Rutgers, Temples, and Marylands of the college football world, he was clearly ducking the Big Ten schools.

So just to make sure I have this right...Are you saying that having a Bowl of Peachy Paterno...isn't really qualified to be peachy? In fact aren't you saying it would, to be more accurate, be more of a Poinsettia Paterno flavor?

Awesome work btw.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

As a winner of multiple national championships, Paterno is obviously in a select group. However, within that group, he is dead last in terms of frequency of winning national championships, with one title every 23 years.

What you're not counting is the nation's championships that Glorious Dear Leader Pa Joe Il had stolen from him by the decadent President from the Western Provinces (1969), the treacherous media (1973) or the jealous footballing coaches from the Largest Ten Conference (1994).

In each of these years, Glorious Dear Leader Pa Joe Il had nation's championship rings produced and handed out to his victorious footballers.

 

[Jaxbuck]

About the same as Phil Fulmer on the field and infinitely worse off it.

Think about that for a minute.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

What you're not counting is the nation's championships that Glorious Dear Leader Pa Joe Il had stolen from him by the decadent President from the Western Provinces (1969), the treacherous media (1973) or the jealous footballing coaches from the Largest Ten Conference (1994).

In each of these years, Glorious Dear Leader Pa Joe Il had nation's championship rings produced and handed out to his victorious footballers.

I gotta admit, I thought that their 1994 team should've won the national title. They were fucking good. I still hope, though, that some OSU HC takes it out on PedState for the 63-14 ape-fucking they put on us that year (Coach Meyer, are you reading this?).

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I gotta admit, I thought that their 1994 team should've won the national title. They were [censored]ing good. I still hope, though, that some OSU HC takes it out on PedState for the 63-14 ape-[censored]ing they put on us that year (Coach Meyer, are you reading this?).

Seeing as UFM knows about the history of Buckeye Football...I could see him bringing back that whole team from '94 and then dropping 70 on them while fake punting in the 4th just for shits and giggles.

 

[ochre]

yeah, they need to see that list. I think they'll love that the Pitt dude rates so high :)

 

[LordJeffBuck]

If it helps, guys....

Many people who are old enough to remember the game in 82 think that Paterno and Penn State were sex offenders long before this Sandusky stuff came out.

We got sexually assaulted on national TV by Ped State. Here's the proof.

Unbelievable Football Referee Call - NOT a Catch! - YouTube

We will never forget. Ever.

To expand on this a bit ... in 1982, Nebraska finished the season at 12-1, and their only loss was 27-24 at Penn State. Penn State finished the season at 11-1, but their one loss was a 42-21 plunger raping at Alabama, who finished a mediocre 8-4 on the year. So even though Nebraska had the better record and the better loss, the pollsters still went with the Pedsters, and JoePed got his first national championship.

Ironically, the team that finished second in both polls in 1982 was the SMU Pony Express (11-0-1) that ended up earning the death penalty from the NCAA.

 

[Dryden]

Ironically, the team that finished second in both polls in 1982 was the SMU Pony Express (11-0-1) that ended up earning the death penalty from the NCAA.

The Pony Express? You mean the team that Craig James was on when he killed five hookers at SMU? That Pony Express?

 

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[lvbuckeye]

I was actually working along similar lines this morning.

Everyone knows that Paterno holds the record for most wins in Division I (409), but longevity records have never really impressed me. In terms of winning percentage and national championships, Paterno is certainly not as worthy of the outrageous legacy that he has earned amongst Penn State fans.

Here is how Paterno compares to other "legendary" coaches throughout college football history, in terms of winning percentage and national championships at the Division I-A level:

Head Coach..(primary team)...Years...Wins...Loss...Ties...Pct...NCs
Knute Rockne..(Notre Dame).....13.....105.....12.....5....881....4..
Frank Leahy..(Notre Dame)......13.....107.....13.....9....864....6..
Barry Switzer..(Oklahoma)......16.....157.....29.....4...837....3..
Tom Osborne..(Nebraska)........25.....255.....49.....3...836....3..
Fielding.Yost..(Michigan)......28.....190.....34...12....831....6..
Bob Neyland..(Tennessee).......21.....173.....31....12...829....3..
Bud Wilkinson..(Oklahoma)......17.....145.....29.....4...826....3..
Urban Meyer..(Florida).........10.....103.....23.....0...817....2..
Pete Carroll..(Southern Cal)....9......83.....19.....0....813....2..
Jock Sutherland..(Pitt)........20.....144.....28....14...812....5..
Frank Thomas..(Alabama)........15.....115.....24.....7...812....1..
Jim Tressel..(Ohio State)......10......94.....22.....0....810....1..
Bob Devaney..(Nebraska)........16.....136.....30.....7...806....2..
Charles.Daly..(Army)............8......58.....13....3....804....2..
Bob Stoops..(Oklahoma).........13.....139.....34.....0...803....1..
Larry Coker..(Miami)............6......60.....15.....0...800....1..
Biggie Munn..(Michigan State)...8......58.....14.....2....797....2..
Gil Dobie..(Cornell)...........33.....182.....45....15...783....2..
Bear Bryant..(Alabama).........38.....323.....85....17...780....6..
Bo.Schembechler..(Michigan)....27.....234.....65....8....775....0..
Gus Henderson..(Tulsa).........17.....115.....32.....5...773....0..
Fritz Crisler..(Princeton).....18.....116.....32.....9...768....3..
Wallace.Wade..(Alabama)........24.....171.....49...10....765....3..
Andy Smith..(California).......17.....116.....32....13...761....3..
Woody Hayes..(Ohio State)......30.....219.....66....10....759....5..
Red Blaik..(Army)..............25.....166.....48....14...759....3..
Lloyd Carr..(Michigan).........13.....122.....40.....0...753....1..
Frank Kush..(Arizona State)....22.....173.....57.....1....751....0..
John McKay..(Southern Cal).....16.....127.....40.....8....749....4..
Darrell.Royal..(Texas).........20.....184.....60....5....749....3..
Joe Paterno..(Penn State)......46.....409....136.....3....749....2..
Phil Fulmer..(Tennessee).......17.....152.....52.....0...745....1..
Bobby Petrino..(Arkansas).......8......76.....25.....0...743....0..
Bill Roper..(Princeton)........18......96.....28....17...741....4..
Ara Parseghian..(Notre Dame)...24.....170.....58.....6....739....3..
Pop Warner..(Pitt).............31.....205.....65....24...738....4..
Mark Richt..(Georgia)..........11.....106.....38.....0...736....0..
Bobby Bowden..(Florida State)..40.....345....123.....4....735....2..
Howard Jones..(Southern Cal)...29.....194.....64....21....733....3..
Les Miles..(Louisiana State)...11.....103.....39.....0....725....1..
Steve Spurrier..(Florida)......22.....197.....75.....2...723....1..
Nick Saban..(Alabama/LSU)......16.....141.....54.....1....722....3..
Dana Bible..(Texas A+M)........30.....186.....65....21....722....1..
Francis Schmidt..(Ohio State)..24.....156.....58....11....718....0..
LaVell Edwards..(BYU)..........29.....257....101.....3...716....1..
Vince Dooley..(Georgia)........25.....201.....77....10...715....1..
Bobby Dodd..(Georgia Tech).....22.....165.....64.....8....713....1..
Bernie Bierman..(Minnesota)....23.....137.....59.....9...711....5..
John Heisman..(Georgia Tech)...34.....171.....66....16....708....1..
Frank Broyles..(Arkansas)......20.....149.....62.....6...700....1..
Jimmy Johnson..(Miami).........10......81.....34.....3...699....1..
Amos Alonzo Stagg..(Chicago)...41.....269....114....29....688...1..
Shug Jordan..(Auburn)..........25.....176.....83.....6...675....1..
Lou Holtz..(Notre Dame)........30.....236....112.....7....675....1..
Mack Brown..(Texas)............27.....221....108.....1...671....1..
Danny Ford..(Clemson)..........17.....122.....59.....5...669....1..
Dennis Erickson..(Miami).......23.....179.....96.....1...650....2..
John Robinson..(Southern Cal)..18.....132.....77.....4....629....1..
Robert Zuppke..(Illinois)......29.....131.....81....12...612....4..
Duffy Daugherty..(Mich State)..19.....109.....69.....5....609....2..


So, amongst so-called "legendary" coaches, Paterno falls pretty much right in the middle as far a winning percentage is concerned, behind such luminaries as Gus Henderson, Frank Kush, Andy Smith, and Gil Dobie.

Since 1933, twenty-three (23) head coaches have won multiple recognized national championships:


Head Coach..(primary team)...Years....NCs....NC/Year..
Frank Leahy..(Notre Dame)......13......6......1/2.17..
John McKay..(Southern Cal).....16......4......1/4.00..
Jock Sutherland..(Pitt)........20......5......1/4.00..
Biggie Munn (Michigan State)....8......2......1/4.00..
Pete Carroll..(Southern Cal)....9......2......1/4.50..
Bernie Bierman..(Minnesota)....23......5......1/4.60..
Urban Meyer..(Florida).........10......2......1/5.00..
Barry Switzer..(Oklahoma)......16......3......1/5.33..
Nick Saban (Alabama/LSU).......16......3......1/5.33..
Bud Wilkinson..(Oklahoma)......17......3......1/5.67..
Fritz Crisler (Princeton)......18......3......1/6.00..
Woody Hayes..(Ohio State)......30......5......1/6.00..
Bear Bryant..(Alabama).........38......6......1/6.33..
Darrell Royal (Texas)..........20......3......1/6.67..
Bob Neyland..(Tennessee).......21......3......1/7.00..
Ara Parseghian..(Notre Dame)...24......3......1/8.00..
Bob Devaney..(Nebraska)........16......2......1/8.00..
Tom Osborne..(Nebraska)........25......3......1/8.33..
Red Blaik..(Army)..............25......3......1/8.33..
Duffy Daugherty..(Mich State)..19......2......1/9.50..
Dennis Erickson..(Miami).......23......2.....1/11.50..
Bobby Bowden..(Florida State)..40......2.....1/20.00..
Joe Paterno..(Penn State)......46......2.....1/23.00..


As a winner of multiple national championships, Paterno is obviously in a select group. However, within that group, he is dead last in terms of frequency of winning national championships, with one title every 23 years. The other twenty-two (22) coaches with multiple national championships averaged one title every 6.21 years, which means that Paterno won titles at a rate nearly four times slower than his peers. Take fellow longevity champ Bobby Bowden out of the mix, and the remaining twenty-one (21) coaches won a title every 5.81 years, which further reduces Paterno's effectiveness versus his peers.

Again, Paterno was a fine coach, but his career accomplishments are nothing worthy of his cult-leader status in Happy Valley.

EDIT: One final point, which references back to BKB's original thesis - in the 27 years prior to joining the Big Ten, Paterno scheduled Big Ten schools exactly eleven times[sup]1[/sup]. His record in those games was 5-6, with four of those wins coming against bottom of the barrel Iowa teams in the early 1970's (combined record of 7-36-1, winning percentage of .170). So while Paterno was getting fat against the Rutgers, Temples, and Marylands of the college football world, he was clearly ducking the Big Ten schools.
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[sup]1[/sup] Paterno also had a win against Ohio State in the 1980 Fiesta Bowl, to even his record against the Big Ten at 6-6.

awesome post, but just so you know, those of us that view the forum in 'afternoon game' can't see his stupid stats...

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

The Pony Express? You mean the team that Craig James was on when he killed five hookers at SMU? That Pony Express?

Craig James? Yeah, I think it is the one that killed five hookers while at SMU, and I think he is friends with Mark May who blew five dudes while at Pitt.

 

[Zurp]

I gotta admit, I thought that their 1994 team should've won the national title. They were fucking good. I still hope, though, that some OSU HC takes it out on PedState for the 63-14 ape-fucking they put on us that year (Coach Meyer, are you reading this?).

Yeah - 63-14 and they DROPPED in the rankings, from 1 to 2.
Years later, Ohio State beat Penn State 45-6, and I seem to remember some "talking heads" asking Cooper to apologize for "running up the score". I don't see the story on google, but screw that apologizing, crap!

 

[LordJeffBuck]

awesome post, but just so you know, those of us that view the forum in 'afternoon game' can't see his stupid stats...

Sorry, I did not realize that. I'll make the change.

The Pony Express? You mean the team that Craig James was on when he killed five hookers at SMU? That Pony Express?

It is just rumor and innuendo that CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS AT SMU!!! You don't know the FACTS!!!