Decanonized Mythologized Disgraced Ped State Monster Coach Joe Paterno (Zombie Icon)

[Bucknut24]

ugh, can we please leave out the catholic card?



yes, I don't like it since I'm catholic

 

[smithlabs]

Dang. Glad im a Baptist...

and an Ohio State Fan.

 

[Buckeye513]

ugh, can we please leave out the catholic card?



yes, I don't like it since I'm catholic

Regards.

 

[3074326]

I don't understand how people are getting mad for those who aren't showing sympathy.

JoePa was a great guy when he wasn't ignoring child molestation.

Great guy and child molestation do not fit in that sentence together. There are certain things that should overshadow good deeds. We can be respectful and thankful of the good things he did, but his legacy is what it is - and he both created it and ripped it apart. Like I said earlier in the thread, I feel for his family. Certain things are unforgivable.

EDIT: I'm not really referring to anyone in particular. Just the people I've heard/read on Facebook and Twitter criticizing people who are having trouble feeling sorrow.

 

[OSUBucks22]

Penn Live

Westboro Baptist Church says it will picket Joe Paterno's funeral
By DUSTIN HOCKENSMITH, The Patriot-News

Westboro Baptist Church said today it will picket legendary Penn State football coach Joe Paterno's funeral. Margie Phelps sent a tweet shortly after Paterno's death was announced saying "WBC will picket his funeral."

Westboro Baptist Church, based in Topeka, Kansas, has also recently threatened to picket outside Beaver Stadium for the Penn State-Nebraska game, which was the first played after former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky was charged with more than 40 counts of sex crimes against minors.

Westboro also threatened to picket the funeral of seven Perry County children who died in a tragic fire in March.

Members of Westboro Baptist Church blame Americans' sins for anything bad that happens, such as children's deaths in fires or military personnel killed in wars. Their protests have deeply offended people everywhere they have gone. However, the group recently won a U.S. Supreme Court case, in which the court ruled that WBC has the right to protest funerals under the First Amendment.

 

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Penn Live

A cult picketing a cult?

 

[OSUBucks22]

A cult picketing a cult?

It's the start of A&E's new reality show, CULT WARS.

 

[MaxBuck]

I don't understand how people are getting mad for those who aren't showing sympathy.

Huge difference between "not showing sympathy" and repeatedly trumpeting how morally superior you are to a man who made a grievous error in judgment but also did much to help many people over his lifetime.

I understand and agree with those who are outraged over the horrific actions of Jerry Sandusky. But I also have some sympathy for Paterno, a man who evidently found it difficult to reconcile the acts that were reported to him with twenty years of experience with a man he thought was caring and morally upright. This kid of conflict (often referred to as cognitive dissonance) can paralyze one's usual decision process.

Lot of people have engaged in what I've called an orgy of self-congratulation relative to their willingness to post criticisms on a fan message board. If you have ever been in a similar situation and behaved differently, either intervening directly or hammering at the police until the perp was arrested, then you have a right to express this sort of vitriol. Otherwise, I think the best response is self-examination, along with gratitude that we have not been faced with such a thing.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Huge difference between "not showing sympathy" and repeatedly trumpeting how morally superior you are to a man who made a grievous error in judgment but also did much to help many people over his lifetime.

I understand and agree with those who are outraged over the horrific actions of Jerry Sandusky. But I also have some sympathy for Paterno, a man who evidently found it difficult to reconcile the acts that were reported to him with twenty years of experience with a man he thought was caring and morally upright. This kid of conflict (often referred to as cognitive dissonance) can paralyze one's usual decision process.

Lot of people have engaged in what I've called an orgy of self-congratulation relative to their willingness to post criticisms on a fan message board. If you have ever been in a similar situation and behaved differently, either intervening directly or hammering at the police until the perp was arrested, then you have a right to express this sort of vitriol. Otherwise, I think the best response is self-examination, along with gratitude that we have not been faced with such a thing.

sympathy and understanding for an inadequate response due to cognitive dissonance, you say?

What's implausible to me is that (McQueary) chose to go to his boss rather than the police. Yet that's what he did. Given that, nothing else this despicable fuckwit did seems odd by comparison.

Now, why the fuck is that cowardly little twat McQueary still employed?

now about this thing you call an "orgy of self-congratulation relative to their willingness to post criticisms on a fan message board."

Otherwise, I think the best response is self-examination, along with gratitude that we have not been faced with such a thing.

except when dealing with "despicable fuckwit(s)," right, max?

 

[matcar]

Huge difference between "not showing sympathy" and repeatedly trumpeting how morally superior you are to a man who made a grievous error in judgment but also did much to help many people over his lifetime.

I understand and agree with those who are outraged over the horrific actions of Jerry Sandusky. But I also have some sympathy for Paterno, a man who evidently found it difficult to reconcile the acts that were reported to him with twenty years of experience with a man he thought was caring and morally upright. This kid of conflict (often referred to as cognitive dissonance) can paralyze one's usual decision process.

Lot of people have engaged in what I've called an orgy of self-congratulation relative to their willingness to post criticisms on a fan message board. If you have ever been in a similar situation and behaved differently, either intervening directly or hammering at the police until the perp was arrested, then you have a right to express this sort of vitriol. Otherwise, I think the best response is self-examination, along with gratitude that we have not been faced with such a thing.

Agreed. But message boards often thrive on HATE HATE HATE, so it might be difficult to stem this tide.

I do understand how someone in Paterno's position would have a difficult time believing what he was told and COULD be "paralyzed" by the process. That doesn't excuse anything, but it helps understand how people are human...and filled with inadequacies and mistakes.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

If you have ever been in a similar situation and behaved differently, either intervening directly or hammering at the police until the perp was arrested, then you have a right to express this sort of vitriol. Otherwise, I think the best response is self-examination, along with gratitude that we have not been faced with such a thing.

sorry, bro. i think i damn well have a right to express anger over individuals WHO FAIL TO CALL THE POLICE AFTER RECEIVING INFORMATION OF CHILD RAPE. i don't need to have experience with this type of situation to know that you must contact the authorities (beyond university suits, that is) if you believe a child has been molested. maybe i'm unique that way.

but thanks for telling us what emotions we have rights to.

 

[Jake]

Lot of people have engaged in what I've called an orgy of self-congratulation relative to their willingness to post criticisms on a fan message board. If you have ever been in a similar situation and behaved differently, either intervening directly or hammering at the police until the perp was arrested, then you have a right to express this sort of vitriol. Otherwise, I think the best response is self-examination, along with gratitude that we have not been faced with such a thing.

 

[Jake]

A cult picketing a cult?

:popcorn:

 

[localyokel]

This can't have come as shocking news to very many people. But, it is interesting (as well as a bit perplexing) to see that, for some, dying apparently negates all past bad acts, however destructive. I personally harbor no odd expectation that when I die it will somehow mystically improve my character. The mistakes I've made will remain made, and the repercussions of those poor choices will continue to echo after me. And, it's not as if that particular piece of cosmic punctuation isn't going to be added to the final paragraph of every last one of our life stories. It is a curious rule of etiquette that demands one should be any more revered, or less disgraced, by the simple fact of being dead. If all one has to do is die in order to negate every foul mark on their legacy, and to limit discussion of their lives to only cheerful anecdotes, then, by that standard, well, let's see...Uncle Adolph was very nice to dogs and Wayne Gacy was one heck of an entertaining clown. To say anything more would be disrespectful of the dead.

 

[MaxBuck]

sorry, bro. i think i damn well have a right to express anger over individuals WHO FAIL TO CALL THE POLICE AFTER RECEIVING INFORMATION OF CHILD RAPE. i don't need to have experience with this type of situation to know that you must contact the authorities (beyond university suits, that is) if you believe a child has been molested. maybe i'm unique that way.

but thanks for telling us what emotions we have rights to.

Bull[Mark May]. I have not told you or anyone "what emotions you have a right to." In fact I share many of those same emotions. What I HAVE said is that continual trumpeting of what a horrible person Joe Paterno is, and how you would have done things so much differently, on a sports message board is self-important and self-congratulatory, neither of which is very attractive. Not to mention most of us really have no fucking clue what we would do faced with Paterno's specific experience. But angry? Of course you, I, and everyone else, are entitled to this emotion, along with disgust, dismay, whatever.

Don't attribute to me things I have never said.