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1926Buckeyes
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We've seen huge improvements in year 1. Definitely a lot farther to go, but right now the TTUN game is an outlier. Especially since 3 of the big plays were busts.
It's what you get with his philosophy and what most everyone wanted. No one wants a defense that let the opponent bleed clock and control the game, they want an aggressive unit that attacks and creates chaos. It's the right philosophy when your offense is elite, unfortunately the offense clearly fell short in the 2nd half of the season.
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Watching any of the other OSU games would have put your expectations inline for this reality to begin with. I’m pleasantly surprised it was not more of an issue this season.
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We saw improvement against weaker teams. Not so much against the better offensive teams and tsun wasn't the outlier. I'd say PSU was the outlier in that his attacking style actually created some chaos. The big plays have been there.
It's just frustrating to still be in this place where the offense needs 40+ to win
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I've watched them all. My expectations are perfectly set for this CFP game now. I held out hope up to The Game. Now its very clear to me.
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1926Buckeyes
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It's not an outlier that OSU allowed 5 50+ yard TDs? That was way beyond anything we'd seen this season. Knowles is aggressive, but coached as though he was playing against a service academy.
If he's not reckless, the defense is still capable of making big plays and keeping teams below 30.
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all of them going for TD's was but giving up ~6 explosive plays per game was not.
His chaos defense creating a bunch of TO's only happened against Penn State
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And by other OSU, I meant when he was the Cowpokes coach. I was concerned about this when he was hired.
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Considering that explosive plays are basically anything over 20yards, the strategy should be pretty sound. You will have fluke plays that break free or a player falls etc. What his strategy wasn't was allow 50 yard touchdowns. Explosive plays don't necessarily mean touchdowns. In tttun game, all those went for 6. Absolute opposite of what we were game planning. Can't miss a tackle with no safety help. Can't just let a guy run 20 yards open, numerous times. Can't fail at being the last line of defense on a busted play - several times either!
What Knowles needed to do is adjust sooner and apply a lot of zone with variable blitz packages to keep stuffing the run in the second half. TTUN was sweating bullets because we were dominating their run game but those shit plays let them off the hook. Shore up responsibilities and the strategy is sound. The players still play the game in the end and sometimes, they fuck up royally.
What Knowles needed to do is adjust sooner and apply a lot of zone with variable blitz packages to keep stuffing the run in the second half. TTUN was sweating bullets because we were dominating their run game but those shit plays let them off the hook. Shore up responsibilities and the strategy is sound. The players still play the game in the end and sometimes, they fuck up royally.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Is it the scheme of Knowles or weak units on D…like the secondary?
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I would think if it were the scheme we'd be seeing mistakes by all units not just more in the secondary. I think there are a lot of responsibilities back there and there needs to be a vocal leader to get in people's asses. Eichenberg is a quiet but visible leader. I was hoping McCallister would be the guy who got them all together but it apparently isn't happening.
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Like most things, probably a mix of both.
My biggest concern with Knowles isn't the over aggressiveness (but this could change pretty quick after that shit show we saw) but that it might take his secondary guys 2-3 years in the program to really learn it. That just doesn't work with the current OSU recruiting strategy nor does it work on the field at a place like Ohio State. You can't have a really good defense every 3-4 years here (in theory anyway-in reality the next good one we have will be at least 3 years removed from the last one.)
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Captain Buckeye
Legend
I think we are being a little hard on him if I'm being honest.
Guy took us to a top 10 defense a year after our defense was rather bad. His defense is pretty complex and is very multiple so I'd think we'll be even better next year.
Next year with 33/44/51/91/22/35/12/10 back (I expect everyone to come back that can) we should really be good going into year 2 of this scheme. That's not even accounting for Styles/Stokes probably starting as well. The DL will be better next year, the LBS will be better and the secondary should see the biggest improvement because I think we'll upgrade with Stokes/Styles over Hickman/McCallister.
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dragurd
Head Coach
Cause he saw the dude miss open long bomb after open long bomb and their offense built on the run. So he built the D to be spill and kill on the run. But McSpin pass had his best day of the year and hit some deep passes. By the time he thought to adjust the O had started sputtering and playing for 3 and outs to get the ball back to the O was the name of day.
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