College Playoff

[Muck]

Because that's not what B1G fans are saying. It's more like:

"The system is unfair. Change decades worth of bowl tradition because we've only won two MNC's in 40 years. Give us some advantage"

While the rest of College football rolls it's eyes, makes that jerk off motion with its fist and says:

"You record isn't because of the weather or because you had to spend an extra hour on a plane ride."

If that is the case then the rest of college (and what passes for colleges in the SEC) football is just stupid.

B1G fans are saying that being the only league forced to play at a competitive disadvantage by continually meeting teams in bowls that are de-facto home games is a problem.

Saying "why are we the only ones forced into this disadvantage?" is not the same thing as saying "give us some advantage".

You are so quick to call people racists or sister [censored]ers it's quite sickening.

No what is sickening is seeing the all pervading racism endemic to the south.

 

[cincibuck]

...Change decades worth of bowl tradition because we've only won two MNC's in 40 years.

Wasn't going to go there, but since you've brought it up, just exactly what "decades old tradition" kept Northern teams from playing bowl games in the South?

 

[jlb1705]

You are so quick to call people racists or sister [censored]ers it's quite sickening.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS

The above link takes you to a listing of National Titles claimed by school.
My very, very quick count puts Midwestern B1G national titles at 54 and SEC at 36. For the sake of argument, I've included Nebraska and Notre Dame in your total. Nebraska because they now are in your conference (despite no MNC's being won while in the B1G) and Notre Dame because of the extreme significance they once held from the 1960's-1990's.

Given the almost 20 MNC advantage and the fact that NOBODY considered the SEC the dominant conference until the early 2000's (around the time Saban beat Oklahoma). Why didn't Midwestern programs exercise the option of moving a huge bowl game into the midwest when you held every single card?

Population, Money, TV Network dominance, enrollment. All of these were dynamic midwestern advantages until the 1990s (perhaps a bit later). Teams like Auburn, Florida and LSU and Georgia were absolute [censored]ants compared to Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State in the 50's-80's.

I recognize the bowl structure was wholly different prior to 2000. But given all of that significance that Midwestern teams had, did it ever occur to create one important Bowl Game in the Midwest from 1940-1980?
Would it have been so difficult in say, 1970, to put an awesome bowl game in Chicago and let history take it from there?

My response was way, way too wordy, the cliff notes version is:

If Regional Bowl games of incredible significance are so important to establish fairness, why didn't you did it when you held every advantage and were the center of college football influence?

Southern athletic programs played "catch-up" using the terms that Midwestern school kept in place when they were most dominant. What possible reason would we change now that we're on top?

 

[Nutriaitch]

Nope, While I prefer home site it shouldn't matter either way. It's not like Tampa/miami/San Diego/Nawlins would be upset about playing in NY for the superbowl. Stop being dishonest. The truth is you know there's an advantage now and you don't want to give it or the $ up. Anything other than those reasons is either a lie or downy soft.

the advantage we get with the Superdome is proximity to our Campus.
move it to a dome closer to Columbus.

i don't care.
I can't afford tickets to the damn thing anyway.

 

[redguard117]

No what is sickening is seeing the outright horrifying racism endemic to the south.

Regarding that -

(Scroll all the way down) http://civilliberty.about.com/od/ra...nterracial-Marriage-Laws-History-Timeline.htm

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/26/506363/texas-gop-voting-rights-act/

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

One of said uncles also happened to be a county sheriff (not a deputy, the actual sheriff), of course he also had a side job selling illegal satellite descramblers.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsaTaGe7weQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsaTaGe7weQ[/ame]

 

[cincibuck]

Setting aside the trolling BigWoof for a moment...don't get me started on Alabama.

My first wife, her brothers, her parents and her friends were mostly good people but her extended family and the usual mishmash of random folks I've run across in that area were...well words fail to be honest.

I literally had to tell her prior to our wedding to let her uncles know that I would kill them if I heard a single racist comment before, during or after the ceremony (two of my groomsmen were black). One of said uncles also happened to be a county sheriff (not a deputy, the actual sheriff), of course he also had a side job selling illegal satellite descramblers.

Not trying to discount or dispute your experiences, but Jesse Owens was not permitted to live in Baker Hall, then the men's dorm at OSU. Dayton Dunbar High School was created as "the Black high school for Dayton." Blacks were refused service at the King Cole Restaurant in Dayton as late as 1964. Dayton's single largest employer in the 1950s limited blacks to work in food service or janitorial. Statistically, Ohio's High Schools are more racially segregated today than they were prior to the Supreme Court's bussing decision.

Chose your poison: http://www.google.com/search?client...ance+in+Ohio's+high+schools&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

The South was not alone in practicing discrimination.

One major difference is that no Big 10 school refused to play a team with black players in the 30s, 40s, 50s or 60s. Nor were blacks denied the opportunity to play on a conference team due to race.

Because the BIG 10 was in an exclusive contract with the Rose Bowl, and only one team was permitted to accept a bowl bid each year until 1975, this was never an issue except to limit OOC game opponents to schools that didn't have to operate under "whites only" restrictions.

Thus, the "decades old traditions" of "games played in warm weather sites where football was meant to be played," that Big Woof is basing his arguments on, was actually based on the tradition of segregation and not on weather.

The Gator, Citrus, Sugar and Cotton Bowl games spent most of the 20th century limiting competition to schools that were segregated.

 

[buckeyegrad]

Cinci you forget we aren't all as old as the hills.

What I'm talking about occurred in the early 90's not the pre-rocket age.
Once upon a time Xenia historically had two high schools. East for the black kids & Central for us crackers. I'm not oblivious to the problems of racism that existed (and still do) in the north...but the difference in magnitude is staggering.

You both are also missing the fact that everything under I-70 on the map is the South!

 

[cincibuck]

Cinci you forget we aren't all as old as the hills.

What I'm talking about occurred in the early 90's not the pre-rocket age.
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And the "segregation' of Ohio's schools is NOW.

Having served in the South several times I will only say that Southerners seemed to feel freer to use racially motivated language while Northerners were more subtle.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

And the "segregation' of Ohio's schools is NOW.

Having served in the South several times I will only say that Southerners seemed to feel freer to use racially motivated language while Northerners were more subtle.

This has gotten WAAAAY off topic, but I've lived in the South and B1G country. Indiana, by far, is the most racist state I've ever been a resident of.

I have theories as to why that is, but I won't cloud things further.

Back to the topic at hand: Let's blow up all the bowls, and just start over. I'm stunned that, during a time where they almost didn't have enough teams to play in the bowls last year (meeting the 6 win criterion), and during a time where the bowls have been shown to be a) run by inept/corrupt organizations and b) money pits for the majority of the schools who "get" to play in them that we'd continue the farce and even add MORE of these games.

Stunned. Until I remember who makes the decisions and who gets the money.

Then I just sigh and go back to watching Matlock.

 

[greyscarlet]

the advantage we get with the Superdome is proximity to our Campus.
move it to a dome closer to Columbus.

i don't care.
I can't afford tickets to the damn thing anyway.

If it HAS to be a dome in the north, it should HAVE to be a dome in the south. If you don't want a disadvantage from cold why should you have a heat advantage. And if no bad weather is so critical all schools should be building domes to level the playing field.

Football is meant to be played in various weather, cold, hot, wet, dry, humid, day, night. Pick another sport if you can't get that into your head.

 

[Bucknut24]

anyone else don't like that they maybe be playing one or both of the semi final games on New Year's Eve?

 

[Muck]

And the "segregation' of Ohio's schools is NOW.

Much of which is not directly connected with racism.

How many charter schools are there in Hamilton Co? 40?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

the advantage we get with the Superdome is proximity to our Campus.
move it to a dome closer to Columbus.

JFC. If it's above the Mason-Dixon Line, then why must in be in a fucking dome? Fuck that. Play the game outside, in the cold and elements like football was meant to be played.

 

[Muck]

If it's above the Mason-Dixon Line, then why must in be in a fucking dome?

Because southerners are pussies.