College Playoff

[jwinslow]

So would it be fair to say, then, that your primary interest here is that the structure be designed to create a compelling postseason?

I'm not a corporate office with a singular mission statement.

I want to preserve the bowl system, just add some useful ones for once, and enhance the lesser BCS games.

I want to preserve the regular season's importance.

I want to preserve the conference race. a big title means a lot more in a eight team playoff than in the current format, see the highly paid third place sec and B1G teams.

I want to limit mediocrity as much as possible. Sixteen would be a disaster.

I want a compelling offseason. I'd argue this is the least of my listed goals.
I think a structure which excludes BCS conference runners-up and also excludes mid-majors is possible.[/QUOTE]
Are you playing hard to get? why do I have to request it?

 

[zincfinger]

It's intended to show that this system is flawed. That's reasonably obvious.

Yes, what it intended to do was obvious. What it failed to do, by virtue of the peculiar selectivity which I pointed out, was equally obvious.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I want to limit mediocrity as much as possible. Sixteen would be a disaster.

So, Tressel's four national titles at YSU were disasters? YSU won at least one of their national titles entering the 16-team playoff ranked lower than #8. There's reason why I-AA, II, and III have the amount of teams in their playoffs that they do.

As recently as a few weeks ago there were about 8-10 teams with very reasonable chances of getting into the top 3-4 of the BCS rankings. Wisconsin is ranked #10 in the current BCS standings, but have only two last-minute losses on long desperation-type passes. I think most here would agree they should be in an eight-team playoff field moreso than some of the teams currently ranking in the top-8 BCS (Boise State, Kansas State, Arkansas). If Wisconsin were to win the NC in a 16-team playoff this year, I doubt there'd be many saying they weren't a deserving champion.

 

[jwinslow]

Why is sixteen better than the variety of pretty similar eight team playoffs posted here ?

I want no part of the lower eight mediocrity.

 

[knapplc]

Yes, what it intended to do was obvious. What it failed to do, by virtue of the peculiar selectivity which I pointed out, was equally obvious.

Thank you for pointing that out. I really hadn't seen it. But the point remains the same.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Why is sixteen better than the variety of pretty similar eight team playoffs posted here ?

I want no part of the lower eight mediocrity.

I could live with an eight-team format, but history has shown that a 16-team format works very well and that a team being seeded 9th, 12th, or 14th doesn't necessarily mean they're mediocre (see YSU in 1991 when they won the national title despite being ranked outside the top eight).

Do you consider Wisconsin mediocre this year?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Yes, but, was ND ever going to get on board? It seems like a lost cause at this point. Could we get Kansas without little brother? Rutgers seems like a good fit, and Missouri does too, but i think that bridge has been burned.

Syracuse and Pitt will still do a TCU and dump the ACC the minute Jim Delaney's secretary is on the phone. Missouri is probably locked into the SEC now and a little butthurt from getting Shaq'd the first time around by the Big Ten. I still believe that if 64 team super conferences are the future that the domers will see the light. Are they really that butthurt and afraid that they'll turn down the obvious and natural fit......well ok.

 

[zincfinger]

I'm not a corporate office with a singular mission statement.

#OccupyJWinslow!

I want to preserve the bowl system, just add some useful ones for once, and enhance the lesser BCS games.

I want to preserve the regular season's importance.

I want to preserve the conference race. a big title means a lot more in a eight team playoff than in the current format, see the highly paid third place sec and B1G teams.

I want to limit mediocrity as much as possible. Sixteen would be a disaster.

I want a compelling offseason. I'd argue this is the least of my listed goals.

If the first four are actually of greater importance to you than the last, I'd question whether your solution advances your interests, but we're probably running in circles at this point. Or, as Oh8ch pointed out with his exploding, omphaloskeptic head, probably long ago.

And, perhaps similar to Mililani, I'm curious how you arrive at the conclusion that "sixteen would be a disaster", but eight is totally kosher.

 

[zincfinger]

...the point remains the same.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

My preferences would be the following:

First Choice--just go back to the old bowl system. Play all the majors on New Year's Day, and let the polls sort it out on the second. I guess I'm a traditionalist, and I know this will never happen. Oh well.

Second Choice

16 team playoff. No autobids. I'm sorry nobody wants to see a 7-5 Fresno State team get in over a 2 loss Wisconsin. [censored] that. You take the top 16 in a BCS like ranking system and seed them.

First two rounds at the higher seeded team's stadium.

Semis and Finals rotated among the Rose, Sugar and Orange.

At most, two teams would play an extra four weeks, which is a one week longer extension of the regular season that the final four teams play in b-ball, the same as the Frozen Four (counting conference tourneys) play, and less than the finalists in the CWS play.

 

[TooTall]

My preferences would be the following:

First Choice--just go back to the old bowl system. Play all the majors on New Year's Day, and let the polls sort it out on the second. I guess I'm a traditionalist, and I know this will never happen. Oh well.

Second Choice

16 team playoff. No autobids. I'm sorry nobody wants to see a 7-5 Fresno State team get in over a 2 loss Wisconsin. [censored] that. You take the top 16 in a BCS like ranking system and seed them.

First two rounds at the higher seeded team's stadium.

Semis and Finals rotated among the Rose, Sugar and Orange.

At most, two teams would play an extra four weeks, which is a one week longer extension of the regular season that the final four teams play in b-ball, the same as the Frozen Four (counting conference tourneys) play, and less than the finalists in the CWS play.

Add a week between the end of the regular season and were talking the standard length of the season now, minus all the bowl practice. I like it. :cheers: But remember, the BCS makes too much sense.

 

[knapplc]

#OccupyJWinslow!

Not a quote you want to see taken out of context!


And kudos on the "Song Remains The Same" pic. Good stuff, Maynard!

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Add a week between the end of the regular season and were talking the standard length of the season now, minus all the bowl practice. I like it. :cheers: But remember, the BCS makes too much sense.

And if the mid-majors start stamping their feet and whining that they want autobids, we just hold our ground and threaten the Gordon Gee route of saying fuck off, we're going back to the bowl system. You worthless fucks go off and create your playoff by yourselves.

 

[TooTall]

And if the mid-majors start stamping their feet and whining that they want autobids, we just hold our ground and threaten the Gordon Gee route of saying [censored] off, we're going back to the bowl system. You worthless [censored]s go off and create your playoff by yourselves.

The only team I wouldn't mind seeing in the 16 team format would be TCU. (from "mid majors")

 

[jwinslow]

So, Tressel's four national titles at YSU were disasters? YSU won at least one of their national titles entering the 16-team playoff ranked lower than #8. There's reason why I-AA, II, and III have the amount of teams in their playoffs that they do.

if Tressel never coached here, 99% wouldn't care what he did there.

bowls aren't an option for them, let alone a BCS.

The main reason they do that is because it is what everyone does.

As recently as a few weeks ago there were about 8-10 teams with very reasonable chances of getting into the top 3-4 of the BCS rankings. Wisconsin is ranked #10 in the current BCS standings, but have only two last-minute losses on long desperation-type passes. I think most here would agree they should be in an eight-team playoff field moreso than some of the teams currently ranking in the top-8 BCS (Boise State, Kansas State, Arkansas). If Wisconsin were to win the NC in a 16-team playoff this year, I doubt there'd be many saying they weren't a deserving champion.

that doesn't answer my question.

neither of the recent proposals excludes Wisconsin not includes Kansas State.

What they don't include that yours does is exclude Michigan and the garden variety teams you find in the mid teens.

Your system diminishes conference titles just like the BCS does.

Mine and others with eight make it extremely pivotal.