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Coaching changes: coaches hired and fired, comings and goings

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Bucky32;2279614; said:
Sure, Hoke looks like a good hire in hindsight
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Um, I'm going to have to disagree with you pretty strongly on that one. Hoke is who we thought he was (a sub .500 sub mid-major HC) with a really damn good defensive coordinator propping his incompetent lard ass up on the field and a top 5 all-time program propping his incompetent lard ass up on the recruiting trail... for the time being.

Bucky32;2279614; said:
Additionally, I don't think money was an issue
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Bielema was an epic douchebag of the highest caliber and there is no arguing against that, but maybe he had a point regarding Wisconsin's willingness to put the resources needed in to taking the program to the next level.

Purely speculation on my part, but could it be that Alvarez has the attitude of "I did it with next to nothing and you can too or you're not a good coach." ?

I was 100% on board with letting Bielema go if he came in trying to leverage the Arkansas offer for more money that he didn't deserve, but this extremely underwhelming HC hire kinda reinforces Biff's point about Alvarez and $ at Wisconsin, no?

It certainly looks like money is an issue, and it's probably coming straight from the guy holding the purse strings, in my opinion.
 
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Buckeye86;2279672; said:
Um, I'm going to have to disagree with you pretty strongly on that one. Hoke is who we thought he was (a sub .500 sub mid-major HC) with a really damn good defensive coordinator propping his incompetent lard ass up on the field and a top 5 all-time program propping his incompetent lard ass up on the recruiting trail... for the time being.
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And he's fat.
 
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Buckeye86;2279672; said:
Um, I'm going to have to disagree with you pretty strongly on that one. Hoke is who we thought he was (a sub .500 sub mid-major HC) with a really damn good defensive coordinator propping his incompetent lard ass up on the field and a top 5 all-time program propping his incompetent lard ass up on the recruiting trail... for the time being.



Bielema was an epic douchebag of the highest caliber and there is no arguing against that, but maybe he had a point regarding Wisconsin's willingness to put the resources needed in to taking the program to the next level.

Purely speculation on my part, but could it be that Alvarez has the attitude of "I did it with next to nothing and you can too or you're not a good coach." ?

I was 100% on board with letting Bielema go if he came in trying to leverage the Arkansas offer for more money that he didn't deserve, but this extremely underwhelming HC hire kinda reinforces Biff's point about Alvarez and $ at Wisconsin, no?

It certainly looks like money is an issue, and it's probably coming straight from the guy holding the purse strings, in my opinion.
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I agree with most of your points. I don't know. I know it's not a splashy hire, or one that makes 100% sense, but I'm gonna trust Barry on this one.

And hey, he's already an improvement over Bielema before he even steps foot on campus.
 
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I labeled the hirings of Weiss, RichRod & Hoke all as epic failures.

I don't think Anderson falls into that category at all. He's a solid coach & could be successful in Madison. The potential risks that concern me have already been addressed ie lack of recruiting connections with midwest HS coaches & the possibility of a clash between different styles (spread vs power).
 
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Muck;2279803; said:
I labeled the hirings of Weiss, RichRod & Hoke all as epic failures.

I don't think Anderson falls into that category at all. He's a solid coach & could be successful in Madison. The potential risks that concern me have already been addressed ie lack of recruiting connections with midwest HS coaches & the possibility of a clash between different styles (spread vs power).
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Yeah, I think Andersen's offense is very adaptable. He ran more of a power-spread hybrid at USU. Matt Canada showed some similar stuff in the B1GCCG, but he's (presumably) gone now.

But the recruiting does concern me.
 
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jlb1705;2279613; said:
Agreed.

There is a complete lack of ambition throughout most of the B1G these days when it comes to external football coaching hires. Take a look at some of the guys that these schools used to hire. B1G schools, when they weren't hiring from within, were able to pull sitting head coaches from mid-majors (Utah State is a minor program, not a mid-major), coordinators from other college football powerhouses or coordinators or positions coaches in the NFL.

Look back at some of the past hires... would these schools have the will to go out and find those guys again or have enough going in their favor to attract them all over again? Say what you will about how some of these guys did, but at least they had credentials and the were eager to take the jobs. Would a M*ch*g*n State get a guy like a young Nick Saban from the Cleveland Browns again? Would Iowa be able to pick up a guy like Kirk Ferentz? Minnesota getting Glen Mason from Kansas? Illinois getting Ron Turner from the Bears? Ironically enough, we're apparently seeing that Barry Alvarez won't be able to go out and hire another Barry Alvarez.

...And Nebraska fans, I hate to say it, but you're probably getting a glimpse of your own future if you don't hold your program's feet to the fire. Be honest here, if Pelini were gone tomorrow, do you think Nebraska would be hiring from the pool that the B1G used to, or the one it does now?
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tOSU hired a coach from FCS and it worked out pretty good for 10 years. I'll hold judgement until I see what this guy does on the field. My opinion of Bert is so low that any hire would seem like a step up.
 
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For everyone down playing this hire because it's not a 'big splash'.

According to the national media Arkansas made a big splash in hiring Bielema and I'm pretty sure that eventually it'll be in the epic fail list I mentioned above.

Big splash =/= good hire.
 
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exhawg;2279849; said:
tOSU hired a coach from FCS and it worked out pretty good for 10 years. I'll hold judgement until I see what this guy does on the field. My opinion of Bert is so low that any hire would seem like a step up.
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JT had won multiple conference and national titles. I'm not sayin this dude is going to fail, but JT was on another level compared to this guy.
 
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Muck;2279853; said:
Big splash =/= good hire.
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To wit:

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I couldn't find a pic of him doing a cannonball. Thank me later.
 
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BUCKYLE;2279857; said:
JT had won multiple conference and national titles. I'm not sayin this dude is going to fail, but JT was on another level compared to this guy.
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I agree, but tOSU is a bigger program than Wiscy as well. I'd love to see a show of hands on who was happy with hiring JT the day it was announced. I'm pretty sure my initial response was "WTF".
 
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