Yes, he’s 15/265 from the plate with one homer that went off Jose Cansecos (now smaller) head, and he has committed 27 errors in 36 innings, but he is UNDER TEAM CONTROL UNTIL 2028!!!!11!1!1!1!1eleventy-bull-durham11!1!
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Speaking of LaPorta lets not forget how monumental of a train wreck that trade would had been if they didn't luck out in getting Brantley as the PTBNL.
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Oh yea. I'm sure also there will be a lot of talk about how good it was to get "2 MLB level players!" for Lindor/Carrassco
Completely ignoring that said 2 players make a already bad offense even worse.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
The Indians 26 man roster right now stands at $22,950,000
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
This is dead last, and about $20 million behind Baltimore which is one spot ahead of us.
That also means that in 2021, 23 players will make more than what the Indians have for a team right now, including legends such as Justin Upton, Jason Heyward, etc. - BUT, the good news, we pay $450,000 to have this team instead of just Wil Myers. So that's a bright side. Maybe.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
This is dead last, and about $20 million behind Baltimore which is one spot ahead of us.
That also means that in 2021, 23 players will make more than what the Indians have for a team right now, including legends such as Justin Upton, Jason Heyward, etc. - BUT, the good news, we pay $450,000 to have this team instead of just Wil Myers. So that's a bright side. Maybe.
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I’d be shocked if that number grows very much. Dolan is probably notching it up to recouping some of the losses he took during the shortened COVID season.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
I agree, the number def won't budge much. This is the team we have. 0 free agents signed. An anemic offense last year that has lost Lindor, Santana, Hernandez and somehow we are supposed to watch this team? I was frustrated enough watching great pitching go to waste, how are we going to feel this year?!
When John Sherman left ownership for KC, he took the only money that was being spent on talent. Dolan looks nearly certain to sell by 2023, and is likely just 'getting lean' to make things look as attractive as possible for potential buyers.
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But that's not lucking out. They do it over and over.
Here's the problem... (other than again, not having an owner that will deficit spend)
Yeah, the team control is nearly the only thing that matters... and not just because of $ (Carrasco had team control under a post arbitration contract)
Having valuable guys leave in Free Agency gets you nothing (well occasionally a draft pick - and I guess the younger minor leaguer here is essentially that since I doubt he got to play last year) so even back to the Carlos Baerga thing, the value isn't just the production, its who did these guys end up getting you.... ultimately the end up being someone that stops playing for whatever reason. That's why you have to get multiples, you can't afford one developmental guy. Going back to the Alomar deal, I think Bully Traber was supposed to be the good one coming out of that.... but that's why you had Jake Westbrook thrown into the David Justice deal.
There's no reason to be happy about any of this other than to say that I'm glad you guys aren't actually running the Indians
I get that you want to win all the games now, but that doesn't work even in Boston or NY, they just get bigger windows.
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NorthCoastKid
Legend
Yup. Once franchises like the Dodgers and Yankees got wise to the Indians/Rays/A's model, but supercharging it by being flushed with more cash than anyone else, it was game over.
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But that's not lucking out. They do it over and over.
Here's the problem... (other than again, not having an owner that will deficit spend)
Yeah, the team control is nearly the only thing that matters... and not just because of $ (Carrasco had team control under a post arbitration contract)
Having valuable guys leave in Free Agency gets you nothing (well occasionally a draft pick - and I guess the younger minor leaguer here is essentially that since I doubt he got to play last year) so even back to the Carlos Baerga thing, the value isn't just the production, its who did these guys end up getting you.... ultimately the end up being someone that stops playing for whatever reason. That's why you have to get multiples, you can't afford one developmental guy. Going back to the Alomar deal, I think Bully Traber was supposed to be the good one coming out of that.... but that's why you had Jake Westbrook thrown into the David Justice deal.
There's no reason to be happy about any of this other than to say that I'm glad you guys aren't actually running the Indians
I get that you want to win all the games now, but that doesn't work even in Boston or NY, they just get bigger windows.
But that's not lucking out. They do it over and over.
Here's the problem... (other than again, not having an owner that will deficit spend)
Yeah, the team control is nearly the only thing that matters... and not just because of $ (Carrasco had team control under a post arbitration contract)
Having valuable guys leave in Free Agency gets you nothing (well occasionally a draft pick - and I guess the younger minor leaguer here is essentially that since I doubt he got to play last year) so even back to the Carlos Baerga thing, the value isn't just the production, its who did these guys end up getting you.... ultimately the end up being someone that stops playing for whatever reason. That's why you have to get multiples, you can't afford one developmental guy. Going back to the Alomar deal, I think Bully Traber was supposed to be the good one coming out of that.... but that's why you had Jake Westbrook thrown into the David Justice deal.
There's no reason to be happy about any of this other than to say that I'm glad you guys aren't actually running the Indians
I get that you want to win all the games now, but that doesn't work even in Boston or NY, they just get bigger windows.
The problem is it’s not about winning now at least get the pieces to win in the future. Which IMO they failed to do in this trade. The 2 “MLB level” infielders are meh at best and the 2 prospects both seem like long shots to ever be impact players in the big leagues.
It’s nice to have players under control but if those players are mediocre it’s doing little good.....lol
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DZ83CK
Not Banned
I don't even really want to acknowledge that Cleveland got players back from the Mets, because it was truly a salary dump trade. But from what I have read, Giminez sounds exactly like the type of player Tito loves. Defense and speed. Too bad they got nobody who can hit anymore to drive him in when he reaches.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
Nothing says 'great use of public tax dollars' like replacing a not even 30 year old stadium that has no business being replaced, is easy to get to, etc.
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