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Cleveland Indians Thread of Malaise (2014 Season)

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Bucklion said:
Salazar is a long relief pitcher. Down by 3-5 runs, come in for 2-4 innings and keep the team in the game. That would normally be what I would say, but beyond that, teams seem to have a hard time the first time they see him, so he's good for the 6th and/or 7th of a close game too, as long as he doesn't see the same batters again. A stater, however, he is not, unless he figures out how to make some adjustments.

As for Santana, I am wondering when Francona develops a cingulate cortex and finally moves him in the order. He is too patient for a #4 hitter, without the power to back it up. He doesn't strike out a ton necessarily, but he doesn't really hit either. He should be hitting like 2nd (when he is going well, with patience, walks, put the ball in play) or 7th.
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Carrasco = Salazar = Carrasco = Salazar. They both are good for the first time around a lineup and then all hell breaks loose the second time.

I have no clue why Santana is the cleanup hitter or why Swisher is batting second. I would move both of those guys down to the latter part of the lineup and install Brantley as the #3 hitter and move To #2. I have no idea who I would put in the cleanup role except maybe for Kennedy until he stops hitting. I also have no idea regarding the 5 hole and I guess that sums up Francona's dilemma. The Indians have no really good headers except maybe for Brantley currently.
 
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Bucklion said:
Salazar is a long relief pitcher. Down by 3-5 runs, come in for 2-4 innings and keep the team in the game. That would normally be what I would say, but beyond that, teams seem to have a hard time the first time they see him, so he's good for the 6th and/or 7th of a close game too, as long as he doesn't see the same batters again. A stater, however, he is not, unless he figures out how to make some adjustments.

As for Santana, I am wondering when Francona develops a cingulate cortex and finally moves him in the order. He is too patient for a #4 hitter, without the power to back it up. He doesn't strike out a ton necessarily, but he doesn't really hit either. He should be hitting like 2nd (when he is going well, with patience, walks, put the ball in play) or 7th.
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He does so far this year. He is on pace for 153 k's in 162 games or something like that in his first 19 games.
 
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NFBuck said:
Masterson sucks again. He's the Bret Saberhagen of this generation, good every other year. Only not as good in his good years, and considerably worse during his off years.
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Mastermind velocity has dropped which is a major sign for concern....he might not be many years long for baseball unless that bounces back

But hey they won tonight....the majority of the bullpen has been REALLY good, if only the SP could pull their heads out of their ass.

Think Chisenhall deserves more ABs as well with what he's shown so far
 
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Before anyone pops a gasket over Salazar, remember a few things: 1. He never spent a full season at AAA, starting 2013 at AA. 2. Last year he had 10 ML starts, but for most of them he was innings/pitch count restricted AND he got extra days off before several starts. 3. He was, belatedly admitted by the Indians, suffering from a "sore shoulder" in early February.

It should not be any shock that he's going to need some experience. My best guess: in less than 2 weeks Salazar will be sent to Columbus and CarASSco will be sent to the pen. Tomlin and Bauer will be in the rotation. Salazar will be back to Cleveland by the end of July when somebody gets hurt or Masterson is traded.
 
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Magua said:
Stickin it to the Royals this afternoon!

5-0 heading to the bottom of the 6th and Kluber is dealing so far today.
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8 innings with 9 K's top of the ninth 5-1 no earned runs but Swisher made an error. The Indians have to keep making errors. Attendance announced around 10,000. I think that might be more than the past two nights.
 
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LitlBuck said:
Complete-game by Kluber… Unbelievable. It will be interesting to see how he does against the Angels because that will be his next start.
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Who cares what he looks like against the Angels... well.. yeah I mean, whatever. He was good today, as long as he's consistent and give us good starts that's what we need from him (vs. what we need from Masterson, for example)

Personally I thought he was the type of guy that teams would figure out a couple times through the AL (especially the central) but, he's not bad... of course I thought the same, and maybe worse about McAllister, but that guy goes out, does his thing and makes quality starts. So, hopefully this get Kluber locked in on the right path.
 
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I think if Carrasco or Salazar keep on pitching the way they have been they should give Trevor Bauer another shot. He performed well in his spot start and has numbers with Columbus are pretty damn good. I certainly would bring him up before Tomlin.
 
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bigdog3300 said:
Scott Kazmir has been killing it this year; 3-0 with a 1.62 ERA, 31/6 K/BB, 0.840 WHIP.....missed opportunity.
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yeah so far both Kazmir and Harrang have been killing it what will their arms last the season. It would have been nice to get off to a nice start that those two guys would have provided. Maybe we would have gotten so far out front no one would be able to catch us:biggrin:
 
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