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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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drummond has some major holes in his game. but he is a good defender and rebounder. so at the very least you can expect him to improve your defense.

even though he does not have any low post moves, he moves extremely well and has freakish athleticism. drummond playing with kyrie (a solid, intelligent point guard who makes guys around him better) should help his development. i see similarities between him and amare and remember how important nash was toward his development.
 
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IMO, Irving will soon become the most complete PG in the league. He only played 30 mins a game and still averaged 18.5 points, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds. His shooting percentage from the line and 3 was ridiculous. He reminds me of a more athletic Chris Paul.
 
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pharaz1;2161182; said:
drummond has some major holes in his game. but he is a good defender and rebounder. so at the very least you can expect him to improve your defense.

even though he does not have any low post moves, he moves extremely well and has freakish athleticism. drummond playing with kyrie (a solid, intelligent point guard who makes guys around him better) should help his development. i see similarities between him and amare and remember how important nash was toward his development.
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The only stat more embarrassing than Drummond's field goal percentage was his free throw percentage (26%). He's not just simply weak offensively. He's a freaking liability. But sure, with Drummond and Tristan, we could win some games in the 60s. That'll be fun!
 
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OH10;2161219; said:
The only stat more embarrassing than Drummond's field goal percentage was his free throw percentage (26%). He's not just simply weak offensively. He's a freaking liability. But sure, with Drummond and Tristan, we could win some games in the 60s. That'll be fun!
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i guess there is no chance for an 18 year old to develop. he is raw. no question about it. but he has skills (good feet, good size, athletic, soft touch) that lead people to believe he has a chance to be special in the right system and playing with a guard like kyrie should help him accelerate his development. if i were a washington or charlotte fan i wouldn't want to take the risk drafting him because i don't think they have the people around him to help him develop. i think cleveland does.
 
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pharaz1;2161227; said:
i guess there is no chance for an 18 year old to develop. he is raw. no question about it. but he has skills (good feet, good size, athletic, soft touch) that lead people to believe he has a chance to be special in the right system and playing with a guard like kyrie should help him accelerate his development. if i were a washington or charlotte fan i wouldn't want to take the risk drafting him because i don't think they have the people around him to help him develop. i think cleveland does.
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Those aren't "skills".
 
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OH10;2161168; said:
And that's the point. I think people are advocating taking him simply because of his size. If that were the case, why weren't people upset when we let Ryan Hollins go? You can't just draft size. Everyone here would love to have Anthony Davis because he's skilled. You have to draft talent and not one person has pointed out any discernible offensive talent for Drummond.



At least I've pointed some identifiable talent for Barnes. He really does have a good shooting stroke. He is physically gifted and skilled. The only knock on him has been his ability to take over a game. Well, who else in this draft demonstrated the ability to take over a game at the college level? Not MKG, who averaged 11 pts/gm. Maybe Davis, but not on the offensive side of the ball. Certainly not Drummond.

So if Barnes' glaring weakness isn't a strength for anybody else, then why again are we debating whether to take him?
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so barnes mediocre production, mediocre shooting numbers, inability to create his own shot, and average athleticism is a plus how?

it sounds like your entire argument is that barnes has a better chance at being just average. hard to argue with that sort of logic.
 
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IMO, I say the Cavs jump all over that, if it's true. With 6&11, you are essentially drafting two starters. With the 24th pick, you may find a steal, but more than likely you have a player that needs a year or so to develop.
 
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stowfan;2161872; said:
Dare be a rumor goin' round that the Cavs want to swap Portland 4 & 24, for 6 & 11. Several of the recent mock drafts have Beal still on the board at 6.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/06/brigham-on-bobcats-thomas-robinson-cavs.html
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I'd take it. You hope Beal falls, but Barnes or Lamb wouldn't be a bad fall back option at 6. I'd still love to see if there is a way to swap picks with the Bobcats that didn't involve giving up the 24. Just depends how cheap Jordan is.
 
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stowfan;2161872; said:
Dare be a rumor goin' round that the Cavs want to swap Portland 4 & 24, for 6 & 11. Several of the recent mock drafts have Beal still on the board at 6.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/06/brigham-on-bobcats-thomas-robinson-cavs.html
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Buckeye Nut;2161877; said:
Wonder if they have their eye on Lamb from UCONN. He's got potential to be a star and would go great with Irving.
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Yeah, that would be VERY interesting indeed. Could be one of those if X player (*cough*MKG*cough) doesn't fall to #4 then that trade could happen and it would be nice.

You can get Lambs/Barnes at #6 and at #11 you can get a player like Zeller or depending on who we take at #6 a player like Terrance Ross
 
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tsteele316;2161282; said:
so barnes mediocre production, mediocre shooting numbers, inability to create his own shot, and average athleticism is a plus how?

it sounds like your entire argument is that barnes has a better chance at being just average. hard to argue with that sort of logic.
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Mediocre production? Have you looked at the numbers for these guys?

Lebron James ain't gonna be there at #4. Who are you taking over Barnes? Yeah, let's pass on the guy that dropped 17 a night for a stacked Carolina team (including dropping 40 on Clemson) for the salmonella-raw post player that shoots 40% from the block and 26% from the free throw line? For a UConn team that couldn't get out of the 1st round.

Don't just make shit up for your point. Bring some facts and an alternative.
 
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OH10;2162111; said:
Mediocre production? Have you looked at the numbers for these guys?

Lebron James ain't gonna be there at #4. Who are you taking over Barnes? Yeah, let's pass on the guy that dropped 17 a night for a stacked Carolina team (including dropping 40 on Clemson) for the salmonella-raw post player that shoots 40% from the block and 26% from the free throw line? For a UConn team that couldn't get out of the 1st round.

Don't just make shit up for your point. Bring some facts and an alternative.
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Dang, you have a good word for everyone and everything:biggrin:
 
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