Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

[OH10]

adam morrison, shaun livingston, marvin williams, mike dunleavy, Yi, Brandon Wright, ect... would all like to have a word with your list above.

Livingston was a PG and Brandon Wright was a PF while Marvin Williams was a tweener. But I can see why you felt like you needed to inflate your numbers with guys that don't fit your argument.

so, bad pg play is only an excuse for barnes. got it.

With Kendall Marshall as his point guard (a decided drop from Kyrie Irving), Barnes led the consensus #2 team in the country in scoring with 17/game while shooting 36% from the 3-point line. All in a 6'8, 220 lbs. frame.

Yeah, I'd say the tournament was an aberration based on trying to fit in with a walk-on point guard. Barnes isn't a point forward. He relies upon others to create for him. He would have a solid 20+/gm career next to Kyrie Irving.

Or... we could draft an offensive black hole to share the block with Varejao and Tristan Thompson - also offensive black holes. I'm sure Kyrie will love to shoulder the entire offensive load next year.

i'll explain to you how an athletic freak that plays a premium nba position has discernible talent when you enlighten me as to how a pedestrian athlete that doesn't do anything exceptionally well in college ball will suddenly flourish against real athletes in the nba.

I'd rather have a pedestrian athlete (Roy Hibbert) who has actual basketball skills at a premium NBA position than an "athletic freak" who is as comfortable with a basketball in his hands as a 12-year-old touching a boob for the first time.

 

[OH10]

I like Teague, too, but I'm surely not drafting a guaranteed backup with the 24th pick. Nothing against his ability, but they can find a backup pg in the second round that won't mind sitting as the top pg in the league runs the show.

The odds aren't good on finding a legit, title-contributing starter with the 24th pick. Better off, IMO, trying to get a guy you know will be a solid rotation player and insurance for Kyrie. But it depends on how the draft plays out.

 

[Brutus1]

Yep. All this talk will be completely different come draft night when trades happen or teams do something stupid.

Everyone has Doron Lamb available at 33. I'd take him in a heartbeat if he were there.

 

[stowfan]

How is Barnes on the defensive end, can he cover a NBA small forward?

 

[Brutus1]

According to NBAdraft.net, "He has the tools to be an effective defender", so I'd say yes.

 

[tsteele316]

Livingston was a PG and Brandon Wright was a PF while Marvin Williams was a tweener. But I can see why you felt like you needed to inflate your numbers with guys that don't fit your argument.



With Kendall Marshall as his point guard (a decided drop from Kyrie Irving), Barnes led the consensus #2 team in the country in scoring with 17/game while shooting 36% from the 3-point line. All in a 6'8, 220 lbs. frame.

Yeah, I'd say the tournament was an aberration based on trying to fit in with a walk-on point guard. Barnes isn't a point forward. He relies upon others to create for him. He would have a solid 20+/gm career next to Kyrie Irving.

Or... we could draft an offensive black hole to share the block with Varejao and Tristan Thompson - also offensive black holes. I'm sure Kyrie will love to shoulder the entire offensive load next year.



I'd rather have a pedestrian athlete (Roy Hibbert) who has actual basketball skills at a premium NBA position than an "athletic freak" who is as comfortable with a basketball in his hands as a 12-year-old touching a boob for the first time.

adding "tweeners" by your definition is no more disingenuous than you putting up guys with 10+ year NBA careers in your list. i could have gone your route and stretched the limit with guys like jared jeffries, or dermarr johnson.

so, what your basically saying is that you'd take a roy hibbert over someone like andrew bynum because you're scared about how bad bynum was his first few years in the league, vs. where he is now. good luck with that one.

 

[OH10]

adding "tweeners" by your definition is no more disingenuous than you putting up guys with 10+ year NBA careers in your list. i could have gone your route and stretched the limit with guys like jared jeffries, or dermarr johnson.

so, what your basically saying is that you'd take a roy hibbert over someone like andrew bynum because you're scared about how bad bynum was his first few years in the league, vs. where he is now. good luck with that one.

I'd have taken Hibbert over Bynum in the draft, yes, based on the risk involved. I'd still take Hibbert over Bynum. And no, Drummond is not close to being in the same vicinity as Bynum on the offensive end. He isn't in the same vicinity as Joel Anthony on the offensive end.

 

[tsteele316]

I'd have taken Hibbert over Bynum in the draft, yes, based on the risk involved. I'd still take Hibbert over Bynum. And no, Drummond is not close to being in the same vicinity as Bynum on the offensive end. He isn't in the same vicinity as Joel Anthony on the offensive end.

thanks captain hyperbole. the fact that you'd take roy hibbert over bynum then and now pretty much brings this discussion to an end because i can't compete with that type of logic.

 

[OH10]

thanks captain hyperbole. the fact that you'd take roy hibbert over bynum then and now pretty much brings this discussion to an end because i can't compete with that type of logic.

I find it quite amazing that we could go through pages of thread on this topic and you couldn't once come up with anything to defend Andre Drummond other than "athletic freak." Fascinating.

 

[OHSportsFan]

I think Hibbert's work ethic (personally witnessed the last 3 years here in Indianapolis) is something that Bynum could only hope to have and will ultimately lead to a more sustained and successful career, imo. Roy has done nothing but work his ass off to improve in every facet he can since he entered the league. Hook shots with both hands, 12 footer, running the floor, defense. Everything. And he won't stop working.

Can't stand watching Bynum pout. He is a petulant child with freakish skills that don't always (actually, hardly) show. The fact that there are similar reports regarding Drummond and his desire for the game, shying away from contact, etc., worries me.

My 2 pennies- I would love Drummond if the Cavs brass decide that he checks out and he is given a foundation to even come close to his immense potential, but the flop side of him is so much worse than going with a reliable wing with a smooth stroke and good size.

Between Barnes and Drummond? Tough call. Really just hoping Beal or MKG slide somehow (1. Davis 2. Robinson then Beal/MKG/Barnes/Drummond remain). Another reason a trade back for #6 and #11 wouldn't bother me in the least. I just don't see many distinguishable difference between anything after The Brow. Barnes/Beal/MKG/Lamb and even one of my favorites Terrence Ross are all there as solid starters on the wing. At #11 you still have Leonard, Zeller, and many other players that will instantly upgrade the Cavs wing or frontcourt.

 

[Brutus1]

I find it quite amazing that we could go through pages of thread on this topic and you couldn't once come up with anything to defend Andre Drummond other than "athletic freak." Fascinating.

How about the fact that every major scouting site has him going in the top five, based on basically the same thing ? That's before the big NBA combine this weekend. With an antipated good showing, he'll rise to everyone's top three. I'm not saying it's right, but there must be a reason.

 

[y0yoyoin]

its pretty simple...if beal and barnes are sitting there for the cavs to select we are taking beal...if drummond and barnes are sitting there for the cavs they are taking drummond....

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[stowfan]

Some scuttlebutt to entertain you guys while we wait for recruiting news.


http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/04/...Day-1/landing.html?blockID=740716&feedID=3725

 

[stowfan]

Here's the latest updated mock draft, imagine this draft coming to fruition and the Cavs signing RFA Roy Hibbert.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-another-2012-nba-mock-draf

 

[OH10]

How about the fact that every major scouting site has him going in the top five, based on basically the same thing ? That's before the big NBA combine this weekend. With an antipated good showing, he'll rise to everyone's top three. I'm not saying it's right, but there must be a reason.

I would submit those scouting services are overvaluing size and youth... again. As they do every year.

If Drummond were a sophomore or junior with his struggles, he'd fall out of the lottery. Just as Sullinger or Barnes would have been easily top 5 last year, but since they didn't improve on some of their weaknesses, scouts began picking apart their games. The scouts, for whatever reason, overrate guys they know very little about, hoping that based on measureables they have a lot of potential. And teams tend to draft out of fear of letting the next big thing pass them by. It is often wrong.

Barnes was far more productive on a stacked Carolina team his freshman year than Drummond was this past year. He would have been one of the top 3 picks in last year's draft. He had an even better year this year and, outside of the NCAA tournament performance with a new walk-on point guard, he did nothing this year to affect that grade in my opinion.

The Cavs would be making a HUGE mistake to pass on him for Drummond.

its pretty simple...if beal and barnes are sitting there for the cavs to select we are taking beal...if drummond and barnes are sitting there for the cavs they are taking drummond....

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And how many people had the Cavs taking Tristan Thompson last year? Anybody that thinks they know what the Cavs are going to do is fooling themselves.