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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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Bill Simmons knocks it out of the freaking park....

7:53 ? In Wednesday's back-and-forth mock draft, Chad Ford predicted that Cleveland would draft Harrison Barnes fourth partly because he was "good friends" with Kyrie Irving. I thought this was ridiculous; apparently, so did the Cavs. They just tabbed explosive Syracuse guard Dion Waiters, setting themselves up for an easy "Anytime you can take the Big East's 'Sixth Man of the Year' with the fourth pick in an NBA draft, you have to do it" joke. Didn't we already go through this with Marvin Williams? Now we're running it back?

(Note that's too important for a footnote: I thought the Cavs should have taken Thomas Robinson, but they obviously passed after spending last year's no. 4 overall pick on Tristan Thompson (same position as Robinson, not as good) so instead of stashing potential stud Jonas Valanciunas abroad in 2011 and picking Robinson this year, they spent two top-five picks on the poor man's Robinson and Syracuse's sixth man. The lesson, as always: God hates Cleveland.)

9:17 ? Nice night for the Rockets: Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones (who fell about five spots too far to no. 18).4 Meanwhile, we have our first trade: Dallas traded Zeller to Cleveland for picks 24, 32 and 33. That means the Cavs just parlayed four top-33 picks (including the no. 4 overall) into a sixth man and a backup center, winning this year's Baxter Burgundy Award for the team that pooped in the fridge and ate a whole wheel of cheese, only you can't be mad at them because it was kind of amazing.
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That means the Cavs just parlayed four top-33 picks (including the no. 4 overall) into a sixth man and a backup center, winning this year's Baxter Burgundy Award for the team that pooped in the fridge and ate a whole wheel of cheese, only you can't be mad at them because it was kind of amazing.
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OMG!! im now convinced we had a bad draft because bill simmons said we did...guess its time to stop watching the cavs now....sigh

heres an article from someone who actually knows what hes talking about

Inside the Cleveland Cavaliers' draft
As a result, Waiters was not ranked highly and many fans did not read or hear much about him in the days leading to the draft. There had been some buzz about the Cavs' interest but only if they traded back. But looking for an aggressive and tough scorer, the Cavs had done highly detailed work on Waiters and he kept impressing them.
"I just couldn't get him out of my mind," Grant said.
Trent Redden, the Cavs' director of college personnel, had been to Syracuse's campus several times to see and gather information on Waiters. Grant spent three days there watching Waiters practice and play and attended a couple of the Orange's NCAA tournament games. Several of the team's other decision-makers had watched Waiters extensively as well. In addition, the Cavs had talked at great length with Syracuse's coaching staff. Grant has known Syracuse assistant coach Mike Hopkins since they were both in high school.
Waiters' basic statistics didn't seem all that impressive for a player under such consideration: 12.8 points a game off the bench, a couple rebounds and a couple assists. But the more advanced stats the Cavs looked at impressed them further. He shot a high percentage on the kinds of shots they felt he'd take in the pros and they liked his numbers scoring out of the pick-and-roll.
So even as Waiters' name stayed out of the mainstream news, as the days passed he was in the Cavs' internal headlines. Coach Byron Scott had fallen in love with Waiters' ability after watching plenty of film. As far as Scott was concerned, getting the 6-foot-4 shooting guard would be hitting a jackpot.
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and i will say this...yesterday when the Waiters rumors popped up i wasnt happy at all about it...mainly because i never thought MKG would go #2 and screw everything up...I was still hoping we could trade up to get Beal or at least be able to get MKG at #4 and thats what the Cavs plans were also according to sources...i dont know much about Waiters and I probably still would of rather had Robinson at #4 and then trade back up for a guard later...but Grant did his homework and I have no reason not to trust the guy...he has made countless great moves so far, so if he believes in Waiters then I will back him up...these are the picks we made...its easy to sit here and bitch about them now and then praise them later when they work out, or you can get behind them now and feel good about it when the picks are doing exactly what we drafted them for
 
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OH10;2172411; said:
I respect Bilas as well, but when it comes to the NBA Draft he has nice things to say about everybody. I would HOPE the 4th pick could at least compete for ROY.

There is a reason Waiters' agent didn't let him work out or interview. If everyone thought Austin Rivers was a cocky jerk, then you should listen to Dion Waiters. He didn't start for Syracuse because Jim Boehiem was trying to break him down a little bit because he's not very coachable. He even said at one point that Waiters didn't want to play any defense.

I've never said Waiters didn't have potential. He does. But it's a microwave type player off the bench. I suppose if I'm being really optimistic, he could be like James Harden. But that is if he puts it all together and listens to Byron Scott. Fortunately Scott isn't the type of coach to take shit from anybody.

The other problem is that I question whether they truly considered how he would fit in with Kyrie Irving. Waiters is not a "spot up" guy. He's a scorer and, at times, a creator for spot up guys. So how does that work with a guy (Irving) that has a similar skillset from the PG position. If Lebron and DWade have taught us anything, it's that redundancy on the court is not really a good thing.


I think a lot of people are stretching to convince themselves that this was a good draft because that's what we try to do. People did it with Luke Jackson. People did it with Brady Quiin. I remember trying to do it with Christian Eyenga when we passed on Dejuan Blair. People are now doing it with Brandon Weeden and Dion Waiters. Sometimes you just have to call it like you see it. I hope like hell I am wrong.
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Your prayers have been answered, sure as hell you're all wrong. :biggrin:Link to today's ABJ. I did a drag and click on a quote from Boeheim:

Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim said Waiters? style of play is comparable to Dwyane Wade and said Waiters might be the best player he?s ever coached.
Boeheim, of course, also coached Carmelo Anthony.


http://www.ohio.com/news/top-storie...taking-waiters-trading-up-for-zeller-1.317157
 
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Nice article by Windy. Turns out the Cavs had whittled their list to two: MKG and Waiters. As soosn as NKG went #2, they knew they were taking Waiters.

Turns out Grant and Co. did alot of work scouting Waiters, rather than picking him as some bad reaction to MKG and Beal both being off the board.
 
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Brutus1;2172583; said:
Nice article by Windy. Turns out the Cavs had whittled their list to two: MKG and Waiters. As soosn as NKG went #2, they knew they were taking Waiters.

Turns out Grant and Co. did alot of work scouting Waiters, rather than picking him as some bad reaction to MKG and Beal both being off the board.
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I have no doubt Chris Grant put a lot of effort and research into the pick. It still seems like a massive reach, just as the Marvin Williams pick was when he was in Atlanta. And just as Tristan Thompson was last year.

Taking college sixth men in the top 5 of the NBA draft doesn't seem like a recipe for success, IMO.
 
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billmac91;2172591; said:
I have no doubt Chris Grant put a lot of effort and research into the pick. It still seems like a massive reach, just as the Marvin Williams pick was when he was in Atlanta. And just as Tristan Thompson was last year.

Taking college sixth men in the top 5 of the NBA draft doesn't seem like a recipe for success, IMO.
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couldnt you add Corey Maggette to that list... Dequan was kinda 6th man too.

Also.. research is great.. i'm sure teams always do alot of research... doesn't mean they get it right.
 
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