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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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ginn421 said:
Oh I totally agree that right now, SA and GS would win a series with the Cavs. But the potential is there for Cleveland to improve by the time they'll meet to make it a toss up. Still a long ways to go to get there so hopefully the bench/role players will contribute, bc the Big 3 each played their roles very well yesterday. Just need more time playing together.
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That's the problem that I see...the Cavs have played together for 2 seasons (minus the playoffs last year for love and the start of this year for Irving.) I'm tired of potential. They've been together long enough that it isn't potential time, it's reality time. The Pistons shot lights out yesterday and yeah, the Cavs won by 5, but how many games is Love going to score 28 and Kyrie score 31 to go along wih James' 22? All 3 had to be on their A game or that game is still a loss and that seems to be just as rare. I think people are overlooking that. The Cavs aren't routinely getting 60 points from Kyrie and Love, and 80 from the big 3 regularly. Usually one of those guys is off and the Cavs shouldn't have to count on monster perfromances from 3 guys to eek out a win against an 8 seed at home. The issues are all right there to see.
 
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colobuck79 said:
Thompson can't come close to playing with Drummond, obviously. Can't keep him out of the paint, can't guard him, and can't get a rebound. Wouldn't surprise me if TT sits a lot during this series.
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I've already been pretty vocal about TT and all of the money he makes just to be a one dimensional rebounder. The man makes $16 million a year to grab 12 rebounds and take one shot a game. People can say, "That's his job," or people can say, "That's all the Cavs need him to do..." If that's true, then don't pay the man $16 million fucking dollars.
 
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colobuck79 said:
Thompson can't come close to playing with Drummond, obviously. Can't keep him out of the paint, can't guard him, and can't get a rebound. Wouldn't surprise me if TT sits a lot during this series.
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See, this tells me you didn't watch the game yesterday. Thompson was matched up with Drummond for almost the entirety of Drummond's minutes on the floor and held him below his normal scoring and rebounding averages as well as his normal FG%. For a guy giving up a couple inches and more than 40 pounds, that's pretty damn good.
 
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NorthCoastKid said:
See, this tells me you didn't watch the game yesterday. Thompson was matched up with Drummond for almost the entirety of Drummond's minutes on the floor and held him below his normal scoring and rebounding averages as well as his normal FG%. For a guy giving up a couple inches and more than 40 pounds, that's pretty damn good.
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Watched every minute of it. This is one of those cases where statistics don't tell the whole story. I would suggest that his scoring was down not because of TT's defense, but because the Pistons didn't miss many shots and there weren't many of his usual put back scores on offense. Same thing for rebounds.
 
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colobuck79 said:
Watched every minute of it. This is one of those cases where statistics don't tell the whole story. I would suggest that his scoring was down not because of TT's defense, but because the Pistons didn't miss many shots and there weren't many of his usual put back scores on offense. Same thing for rebounds.
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First of all, my apologies for the wording in my initial post. Made me come off as a dick.

I thought that, even using the eye test, Thompson still looked good against Drummond.

I will say, you're correct about the first half. Can't really dispute that. However, I thought the Pistons made much more of a concerted effort to get Drummond the ball in the third and fourth quarter and Thompson still did a nice job on him. Obviously things can change as we move forward in the series, but game 1, to me at least, showed me good things from TT on defense.
 
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NorthCoastKid said:
How many times is a 34.5% three point shooting team (the Pistons) going to shoot 52% for a game? It's a hell of a lot more likely the Big 3 all have 20 in a game than the Pistons shooting that high of a percentage from 3.
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Give the big 3 20 points each and the Cavs lose by 15. They had to score 80 points to win by 5. The point stands that the Cavs are not as great as people want to say. Sure the Pistons shot lights out, the Cavs big 3 did too and neither one of those things happen very often. Next time, the Pistons won't shoot so well, but the big 3 won't score 80 points either. The game will still be close...too close for a 1 seed vs an 8 seed, especially in the East where good teams are pretty scarce.
 
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First, Thompson is only getting 16M because he held the team hostage lol. He's not worth that nor did the Cavs want to pay him that much.
Also, Reggie Jackson and Drummond are good. And don't overrate the West this year. The bottom 6 teams are garbage.
The Cavs would beat anyone in the West in a series Outside of GS and SAS.
Every other team over there has 2 really good players then a considerable drop off.
At least the Cavs have 3 really good players lol... 3.5 really.. cause Lebron Is that good.

Great to see Love have a good game. Seen some clutch shots from him, loved it... pun intended.
He's more fun to watch when he plays aggressive. He's got the height and size, use it!

I'm just excited to see a deep playoff run with an actual healthy team.
 
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ethan said:
First, Thompson is only getting 16M because he held the team hostage lol. He's not worth that nor did the Cavs want to pay him that much.
Also, Reggie Jackson and Drummond are good. And don't overrate the West this year. The bottom 6 teams are garbage.
The Cavs would beat anyone in the West in a series Outside of GS and SAS.
Every other team over there has 2 really good players then a considerable drop off.
At least the Cavs have 3 really good players lol... 3.5 really.. cause Lebron Is that good.

Great to see Love have a good game. Seen some clutch shots from him, loved it... pun intended.
He's more fun to watch when he plays aggressive. He's got the height and size, use it!

I'm just excited to see a deep playoff run with an actual healthy team.
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I agree about TT holding th team hostage. I wouldn't have paid it but I'm sure LeBron was the second gunman in that hostage situation and the Cavs weren't going to piss him off.

I'm not overrating the West as much as I still feel it is better than the East. The East has Cleveland, Toronto (seriously, Toronto is the second best team,) and then after that it's Miami and geriatric Wade, Atlanta (who never does anything of substance,) Boston (not good,) Charlotte (Charlotte is the sixth seed?) Indiana and Detroit.

You'll see a deep run, the Cavs are going to make the Finals. Helathy? That's a lot of games for Kyrie Irving to inevitably get hurt.
 
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