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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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I don't have a dog in this fight b/c I'm not a Wolves fan or a Cavs fan, but the thing I like about this trade is that it's actually pretty fair for both sides. I hate when a star player from a small market forces a trade and the team gets garbage back for him.
 
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If anyone is curious about what draft pick we are offering next year in this deal here are the breakdowns of our picks:

Cavaliers (Bulls have option to swap first round picks with Cavaliers, conditional if Cavaliers pick is not a lottery pick)

Traded Andrew Bynum, first round pick (protected top 14 in 2012, top 13 in 2013, top 12 in 2014, top 10 in 2015-17, else 2017 second round pick (protected 56-60)) (?-?), Bulls conditional option to swap 2015 first round picks with Cavaliers (if Cavaliers pick is not a lottery pick) (?-?), 2015 second round pick (?-?), 2016 second round pick (?-?) to Bulls for Luol Deng, Bulls conditional option to swap 2015 first round picks with Cavaliers (if Cavaliers pick is not a lottery pick) (?-?) on 2014-01-06

Cavaliers (protected #1-5 and #15-30)

Traded Jon Leuer, $6.4M trade exception to Grizzlies for Marreese Speights, Josh Selby, Wayne Ellington,first round pick in first draft 2 years after Grizzlies send first round pick to Timberwolves via Rockets (protected #1-5, #15-30 in 2015-16, top 5 in 2017-18, unprotected in 2019) (?-?) on 2013-01-22

Cavaliers (protected top 10)

Traded LeBron James, Cavaliers option to swap 2012 first round picks (not exercised) to Heat for second round pick (protected top 40 in 2011-12, unprotected in 2013) (2011 #54-Milan Macvan), Cavaliers option to swap 2012 first round picks (not exercised), 2012 second round pick (#34-Jae Crowder), first round pick (protected top 10 in 2013-14, unprotected in 2015) (2013 #30-Nemanja Nedovic), first round pick (2 years following the year in which Heat satisfies its obligation to convey a future first round draft pick to Cavaliers, protected top 10 in 2015-16, unprotected in 2017) (?-?), $14.5M trade exception on 2010-07-09


I like the deal for the cavs...pretty much what we have been hearing the whole time...Wiggins looks solid and will be good in the future but Bennet, before summer league and playing scrubs, was considered the biggest bust in NBA history potentially...and you trade a protected 2015 pick...solid move
 
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With Marion probably coming on in the next week or so also the depth is really starting to shape up. Lots of veterans with some youth still around, especially the starting lineup. I like it.

Certainly didnt want to give up Wiggins but it happened. Need a freaking Center dammit!
 
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Tanner said:
I don't have a dog in this fight b/c I'm not a Wolves fan or a Cavs fan, but the thing I like about this trade is that it's actually pretty fair for both sides. I hate when a star player from a small market forces a trade and the team gets garbage back for him.
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Agreed. But this is a player forcing a trade from one small market to another. I think that's pretty unprecidented.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Yep, that's a pretty good recipe for success. Hope and pray for overachievement. Wait until next year ... and next year ... and next year....

I realize that a lot of you have the same old defeatist mentality, that you fear to be great.

But for the rest of you, your Cleveland Cavaliers just became the New York Yankees of the NBA.
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I don't want to be the Yankees. I don't want to be Manchester United. I didn't grow up a fan of the Chicago Bulls or the Dallas Cowboys. I grew up a Cleveland fan, knowing damn well that if a title ever came, we'd fucking have to earn it and it would be one of the greatest feelings in the world.

This feels cheap and expected.
 
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OH10 said:
I don't want to be the Yankees. I don't want to be Manchester United. I didn't grow up a fan of the Chicago Bulls or the Dallas Cowboys. I grew up a Cleveland fan, knowing damn well that if a title ever came, we'd fucking have to earn it and it would be one of the greatest feelings in the world.

This feels cheap and expected.
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The teams you mentioned do it based off of $$$ and no caps, so that's not a fair comparison.

And I disagree on it feeling cheap. We drafted Lebron; he left, and now he came back to play for his home team. We drafted Kyrie instead of Derrick Williams and are now reaping those rewards. We drafted Andrew Wiggins based on some good fortune, but I don't think many people felt "cheap" about winning the lottery. We used those young assets to get a more established asset in a pretty fair trade. Which part of it felt cheap to you?
 
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OH10 said:
This feels cheap and expected.
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Is it really, though? It's not like the Cavs went out and bullied the rest of the league by "buying" the best players. LeBron feels a tie to NE Ohio supposedly, and is coming back to where his career began to hopefully deliver on a promise he made. Irving was drafted by the Cavs. Waiters/Thompson/Verejao are homegrown talents. They're acquiring Love with players they drafted. They're actually doing this rather organically. Which, when you look at it, is pretty amazing. I wouldn't compare this to the Jankees or Red Sox at all.

Unless David Stern was somehow rigging the ping-pong balls the past few years as some kind of consolation for LeBron bailing, I don't see how this is coming in any cheap way.
 
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The rumor is the draft pick is Miami's pick. So we keep the Grizzlies and our own pick. Fitting that we use the pick we got for letting Miami have LeBron to get LeBron's new running mate in Cleveland!!!


Bestbuck36 said:
With Marion probably coming on in the next week or so also the depth is really starting to shape up. Lots of veterans with some youth still around, especially the starting lineup. I like it.

Certainly didnt want to give up Wiggins but it happened. Need a freaking Center dammit!
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Those Utah contracts got to be used for something... and it's to get some scrap heap defensive center me hopes.
 
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OH10 said:
I don't want to be the Yankees. I don't want to be Manchester United. I didn't grow up a fan of the Chicago Bulls or the Dallas Cowboys. I grew up a Cleveland fan, knowing damn well that if a title ever came, we'd fucking have to earn it and it would be one of the greatest feelings in the world.

This feels cheap and expected.
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Well, then don't watch. If your conscience is getting the best of you I'm sure there are plenty of way to be penitent about the Cavs impending dynasty. I'd personally go the dominatrix route... if I had a conscience about such things... I don't. But, there's a broad spectrum of masochistic ritual out there.

Personally, if you grew up a Cleveland fan, I'd say you suffered enough.
 
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I don't think this is equivalent to the Yankees

they are trading the last 2 #1 picks for Love, it's not like they are just buying him off the free agent market

so i'd say the acquiring of Love was earned through having to sit through a couple of shit pile seasons
 
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Unless this was Miami-esque collusion years in the making, then I have no feeling of being "cheap".

I do have a hesitancy putting so much stock in any given one player. Again, I just hope our team and this new addition stay healthy. Lest we forget, this is Cleveland. The good sports lord giveth, and the good sports lord taketh away.
 
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