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Alex Smith is under contract for 2018, yes? So he would have to be acquired via trade?
IMO, if he could be had for a 2nd or 3rd rounder, you do it. That gives you a very good NFL QB to sit your rookie behind for a year or two to develop. If they could get Smith, a decent WR or two in FA, and draft a good RB, that offense could actually become quite competent in short order.
IMO, if he could be had for a 2nd or 3rd rounder, you do it. That gives you a very good NFL QB to sit your rookie behind for a year or two to develop. If they could get Smith, a decent WR or two in FA, and draft a good RB, that offense could actually become quite competent in short order.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I would go after Cousins in FA first before I would try and trade for Smith and if a boiled down to having to trade for him I would only give Kansas City the last of my second round picks or possibly maybe even my third-round pick. Kansas City's future is sitting on the bench and I think that they would like some cap relief which the Browns can give them via a trade.
If the Browns could give Cousins they might not need to go after a QB in the first round because of Cousins age. If they have to trade for Smith, I think that means that they have to draft a QB at #1 or #4 because of Smith's age.
I have.heard much with regard to what they are going to do in free agency but I think maybe one quality WR would be enough and then sign a few more quality guys on defense.
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Kirk Cousins is going to get a top-3 QB contract from somebody. I dare anybody to tell me Kirk Cousins is a top-3 QB. That would be an ENORMOUS waste of cash for a guy approaching 30 with a 26-30-1 career record as a starting QB.
He's not a bad QB by any means, but his bloated contract is going to kill somebody. He could easily be on his way to >$25M/per. Conversely, I think Alex Smith is due <12M, or half the price.
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The problem is, there is a cliff-like dropoff somewhere in the 9-12 range of QBs, and he is at the bottom of that range. Guys above him are not available. Ergo, he profits handsomely. He is not a top 3 QB. He is not worth as much as Detroit paid Stafford. And yet, there are 18-20 teams that would pay out the cock for him in a heartbeat.
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It's crazy. I think he's a solid QB, but he has some awfully hollow stats for somebody about to get an enormous contract. I was so relieved when the Niners traded for Garoppolo, because I was sure they were gonna go after Cousins.
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Between him and Cousins? Absolutely. Frankly, I don't think they're that far apart as a player. Cousins just benefits statistically playing in a pass happy offense. Hell, even looking at their 2017 stats, I'd argue Smith had the better year.
As for team records, I do tend to agree for the most part. However, if he's going to be paid like a top-3 player, he should, in theory be able to help his team to better than a <.500 record. If I'm going to pay a QB $25M a year, I better believe he can lead me to a SuperBowl. I do not feel that way about Cousins, at all. Smith ain't gonna get you to a SB, either, but his contract isn't a friggin' albatross, and you only need him to be a "good" QB for a couple of years and mentor your future QB.
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Buckeye513
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Whether Cousins is "worth" a top-3 contract doesn't really matter. He's going to get a massive contract regardless because he's the next starting QB up. Jimmy G will get a bigger contract next year, then Mariota and Winston, etc. That's just the nature of the league right now.
There are no can't-miss guys in this draft. Shit, the only one I would put any money on even ending up being an okay starter is Rosen. If you think Cousins is going to be your starter for the next 6-7 years, gotta go and get him.
There are no can't-miss guys in this draft. Shit, the only one I would put any money on even ending up being an okay starter is Rosen. If you think Cousins is going to be your starter for the next 6-7 years, gotta go and get him.
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I'm worried the Clowns will overpay for a 1 year rental in Alex Smith and then be back in the same situation in 2019....
I don't want to overpay Cousins either....I don't see a simple answer and I don't want any of the 3 between Darnold, Rosen or the Wyoming QB whatever his name is....Two of them are California/warm weather guys and the other played in a lesser conference and didn't exactly light it up anyway.
To be honest, if they can't do either one (Smith or Cousins), draft the best player at 1, get Barkley at 4 and play Kizer/Kessler another year and start again in 2019....I'm not sure that's a bad course since this is still year 1 of a rebuild that hasn't really started yet.....
I don't want to overpay Cousins either....I don't see a simple answer and I don't want any of the 3 between Darnold, Rosen or the Wyoming QB whatever his name is....Two of them are California/warm weather guys and the other played in a lesser conference and didn't exactly light it up anyway.
To be honest, if they can't do either one (Smith or Cousins), draft the best player at 1, get Barkley at 4 and play Kizer/Kessler another year and start again in 2019....I'm not sure that's a bad course since this is still year 1 of a rebuild that hasn't really started yet.....
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Problem is, if you don't get a QB this year, 2019 looks like a horror-show for QBs.
I mean, look at this shit:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos
*barf*
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Well, that's gonna happen with any of them. They'll be drunk on a street corner with Haslam's bum in the end. "Looking Good, Billy Ray!"
But having said all that, this is the year to make a run at a FA QB if you're gonna do it. And you can get a younger one. If you can do Alex Smith on a longer bridge deal, that's fine, but personally, there are gonna be guys available that can play and aren't 38. Fuck it, get one. Bridgewater went 11-5 in his second year with pretty good stats in an offense that featured Adrian Petersen in his advancing years. I don't really know what all that means, other than usually QB's don't peak in year 2. Shit, the local guys in Minny think they're gonna keep him and (maybe) not Keenum. Fuck it, get that guy then.
Take Barkley, Fitzpatrick... then if there's a guy you love still on the board in the 20's, go get them too.
Just stock up on knee braces and tetracyline now.
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