Cleveland Browns (2014 Season)

[Bucks21]

Would you be against trying to move the 4th pick for a first rounder in next years draft? I'm not super sold on any of these guys either and then the Browns would have ammo to move back up next year for a qb. I don't think there is any chance of it actually happening but just a thought.

Well this is what I realistically wanted to happen(trading back and picking up more picks,you can never have enough), you get a cover corner to pair with Joe which is great and really gives the defense a chance to be more aggressive in the front seven. You get a 1st next year which allows you to gamble on Johnny, if he flames out you have ammo to go after one of the QB's next year which I feel are all better players. Only thing I did not like was giving up the 3rd rounder to move back to take him. Although with the trade back you get that 4th from Buffalo as well which nullifies that a little bit even though I didn't agree with giving up that 3rd.

Tonight I would like a Wr at 36 or maybe a MLB, or Hyde.

 

[Bucklion]

After sleeping on it and reading some things this morning I don't really mind what the Browns did. The Buffalo trade goes a long way to ease any issues with the picks the Browns made. The Bills are relying on two players with injury histories (Manual and Watkins) to stay healthy in order to not give the Browns a top 10 pick next year.

Did the Browns need to trade up from 9 to 8 to pick Gilbert? Don't know, but at least they didn't pull a Butch Davis and trade the second round pick to do it.

Do I think Manziel will be a star QB in the NFL? I don't, but plenty of people that know a lot more about it than I do think he will. I think he has a better shot than Weeden did. I think it would be in his best interest to backup Hoyer for a year and learn from a guy that learned from Brady. By all reports Manziel is a smart guy although his epic doucheyness might get in the way. As far as trading up to get him it sounds like the Eagles were working with the Vikes and Browns to trade down. I don't know if the Vikes offer was good enough to pull the trigger but the Browns offer was better. If the coaching staff thinks that Manziel will be a franchise QB I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Today the Browns need 2 of WR, OL, and ILB. If they can get Lee with the 2nd round pick I will be very happy. One thing we won't know until the season starts is the status of the injured guys the Browns took fliers on last year. Chris Faulk was getting pub similar to Greg Robinson before the season 2 years ago so I wouldn't be shocked to see him win the LG spot. Jamoris Slaughter was also a guy expected to be a higher pick until getting hurt so he could see some time at safety this year. The only thing we really need on D now is ILB. I still wouldn't mind if they threw a 6th or 7th round pick at Boyd if he's still there tomorrow.

I agree with this...I question the players, but I like the strategy, and they have raped a team out of a first rounder for the second time in like 6 months.

 

[Piney]

I agree with @exhawg

While I didn't want Johnny, you can't deny the value of getting him at #22 versus the top 10. I will say the exact same thing I said when they drafted Weeden... this better not prevent us from going after a QB in next year's draft if Manziel doesn't show the staff enough. With the Bills pick always being a 8-13 pick, we should have the ammo needed to trade up next year if needed to grab the Winston/Mariota/Hundley or whatever QB is considered to be a franchise QB.

Of course while I hope the Browns don't need to do this, they better be willing to do it if needed.

Also... damn we fleeced Buffalo. I have been saying for the last month that I hated that the top prospects in this draft didn't mesh well with our needs. While I liked them, they weren't good fits. Trading back and getting a guy the Browns really liked, I love it! Getting a 1st rounder for next year? From a team that normally picks in the Top 15? GRAVY!

Now looking at 35 I would LOVE to get Lee, he is the perfect compliment to Gordon. Then again... I can so see the Browns drafting a G

 

[Bucklion]

I agree with @exhawg

While I didn't want Johnny, you can't deny the value of getting him at #22 versus the top 10. I will say the exact same thing I said when they drafted Weeden... this better not prevent us from going after a QB in next year's draft if Manziel doesn't show the staff enough. With the Bills pick always being a 8-13 pick, we should have the ammo needed to trade up next year if needed to grab the Winston/Mariota/Hundley or whatever QB is considered to be a franchise QB.

Of course while I hope the Browns don't need to do this, they better be willing to do it if needed.

Also... damn we fleeced Buffalo. I have been saying for the last month that I hated that the top prospects in this draft didn't mesh well with our needs. While I liked them, they weren't good fits. Trading back and getting a guy the Browns really liked, I love it! Getting a 1st rounder for next year? From a team that normally picks in the Top 15? GRAVY!

Now looking at 35 I would LOVE to get Lee, he is the perfect compliment to Gordon. Then again... I can so see the Browns drafting a G

Guard is a big need. Lee is a nice prospect, but do we need guys with character questions at both receiver spots? With Johnny on the team? Sounds like a rave away from the 1999 roster.

 

[Bucks21]

I prefer Allen Robinson to Lee, bigger, tougher, more physical number 2 wideout that doesn't have the injury history of Lee.

 

[Piney]

Guard is a big need. Lee is a nice prospect, but do we need guys with character questions at both receiver spots? With Johnny on the team? Sounds like a rave away from the 1999 roster.

Didn't hear that Lee was a character risk...

Had a guy at working wanting Jeremy Hill... now THAT is a character risk.

 

[Bucklion]

Didn't hear that Lee was a character risk...

Had a guy at working wanting Jeremy Hill... now THAT is a character risk.

Maybe I'm mis-remembering something I heard...I thought he was but it could have been someone else. If not, then yeah, I know he's an injury risk, but for a second rounder, he could be a big help.

 

[AKAK]

Maybe I'm mis-remembering something I heard...I thought he was but it could have been someone else. If not, then yeah, I know he's an injury risk, but for a second rounder, he could be a big help.

He's the go hard or go home selection there, IMO. Personally I think he was bored last year, and didnt' want to get hurt more. kid can flat out play football, though.

 

[exhawg]

Maybe I'm mis-remembering something I heard...I thought he was but it could have been someone else. If not, then yeah, I know he's an injury risk, but for a second rounder, he could be a big help.

Lee has always impressed me on the field. Injury risk is what I heard dropped him, but they wouldn't be asking him to be the #1 guy. I have no problem with Robinson either. Safer pick. There is at least 1 high end guard still on the board so we'll have to see how the first 3 picks go. Browns should be able to get a really good player.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

or.. @exhawg .. you could spent two weeks getting back in shape.. and strap it up.. no?

 

[Buckeneye]

Great idea. Let's draft a shitty QB then if he doesn't work out after one year (which is a terrible timeframe to judge a QB) drop another high 1st rounder the following year. Fuck me, eventually that strategy is bound to work, right?!?!

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

I'm optimistic.. biggest diff between Weeden and Johnny Football... is what happens with pressure and hits
Weeden folded up... wish he was wired diff... but he is what he is
Johnny Football gets mad... BUT.. will he temper that anger and how long till he realizes, forcing it in the NFL will not work like it did against an Alabama (who might have 3 NFL-quality defenders).. or will he get away with it

 

[LitlBuck]

Great idea. Let's draft a [Mark May]ty QB then if he doesn't work out after one year (which is a terrible timeframe to judge a QB) drop another high 1st rounder the following year. Fuck me, eventually that strategy is bound to work, right?!?!

The one big problem that I have with your comments regarding Johnny is that you think you know more football then Ray Farmer, Petine, and Kyle Shanahan. They made the pick so I am going to hold off and see how it works out. I think you need to go and look at some of the statistics regarding how many times Johnny threw from the pocket. He was also the #1 ranked player by Gil Brandt aand a few of the other so-called experts so I am going to wait and see.

With regard to tonight, I would like to see them pick up the OG from UCLA or perhaps Jordan Matthews. I do not understand why no one is talking about Matthews. He has some really nice size and I am a little concerned about Lee and the fact that he fell all the way out of the first round. I never saw Matthews being taken in the first round so I do not have an issue with him but I think that there is something going on with Lee that we do not know about.

I do not think we need to rush on a ILB because when Petine was at Buffalo they did not run their base defense quite a bit. I think that was one of the major reasons why they went after Gilbert.

With regard to the Browns trading up and trading back, you never know what other teams are going to do so you have to strike when the iron is hot.

 

[LitlBuck]

I'm all for trading back and taking a top flight corner, or possibly Evans. Corner would make a large impact on this defense especially considering how heavily the nfl is predicated on successfully throwing the ball and stopping the forward pass. Not to mention, wide receivers are aplenty in this draft and you can get a talent #2 possibly into the 3-4 round.

Nice call on your part.

I prefer Allen Robinson to Lee, bigger, tougher, more physical number 2 wideout that doesn't have the injury history of Lee.

I agree. I forgot about Robinson. I might take him or Matthews over Lee.

 

[Piney]

Great idea. Let's draft a [Mark May]ty QB then if he doesn't work out after one year (which is a terrible timeframe to judge a QB) drop another high 1st rounder the following year. Fuck me, eventually that strategy is bound to work, right?!?!

I am of the opinion you should draft a QB every year if possible. Not 1st rounders every year, but you should always have a developmental guy. So until you have 3 guys you are comfortable with, you keep drafting them.

But one year should be enough to at least get a vibe, after one year of Weeden we all knew he wasn't going to make it. So if Manziel plays a decent amount next year, we should get a vibe. Does he suck? Does he show flashes? Is he going to make it. I am not saying you definately take another QB next year, I just want an honest appraisal of where Johnny is at. If you have questions whether he will be a franchise QB... you can't piss away an opportunity having 2 1st rounders in 2015 and a chance to go get a guy just because you HAVE to give Manziel time.