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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

Lots of bashing the Browns for the Weeden pick at 22. Would you all have preferred Tannehill at # 8 like the Dolphins picked? How about getting RGIII and then taking Curt Cousins in a later round ... WTF Washington? I will not rate this draft by the Brwons until I see what it produces on the field. As for now, it is pure speculation. At least the Browns potentially have a QB that can throw the deep ball, unlike McCoy, and a RB that could take a lot of pressure off the QB. I still think Greg Little will be a fine WR and there will be some veteran WRs available in FA. I guess i'm a glass half full guy and don't consider this draft as bad as a lot of posters on here. Defense wins championships, and the Browns D was not that bad last year and should be better this year. If the offense can score some points (shouldn't be too hard toi top last year) and the D keep them close, who knows what their record will be next year.
 
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Trent Richardson was a safe but expensive pick at a position of moderate need.......A-

Weeden was a significant risk and expensive pick at a position of need....B

Hughes was an extremely high risk with a moderate cost but not a position of need.....C-

Mitchell Schwartz was a good pick and fairly inexpensive at a position of moderate need......B

Travis Benjamin was a so-so pick and inexpensive but at a position that needed major upgrade.......B

Overall: B-........which happens to be close to what many experts are saying. Therefore it isn't hard to figure this draft was supposed to be a big builder for the Browns but it fizzled out a little.


bottom line: if Trent Richardson does what Holmgren thinks he can do, he will make this a B draft for the Browns. Not bad. If Weeden proves to be noticeably better than McCoy, then it moves to B+.

Most drafts seem to hinge on the # of players drafted that are starting by year 2. I really don't see any more than 3 from this draft starting....and probably only 2 at most (Richardson and Weeden).
 
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DaveyBoy;2149249; said:
Trent Richardson was a safe but expensive pick at a position of moderate need.......A-

Weeden was a significant risk and expensive pick at a position of need....B

Hughes was an extremely high risk with a moderate cost but not a position of need.....C-

Mitchell Schwartz was a good pick and fairly inexpensive at a position of moderate need......B

Travis Benjamin was a so-so pick and inexpensive but at a position that needed major upgrade.......B

Overall: B-........which happens to be close to what many experts are saying. Therefore it isn't hard to figure this draft was supposed to be a big builder for the Browns but it fizzled out a little.


bottom line: if Trent Richardson does what Holmgren thinks he can do, he will make this a B draft for the Browns. Not bad. If Weeden proves to be noticeably better than McCoy, then it moves to B+.

Most drafts seem to hinge on the # of players drafted that are starting by year 2. I really don't see any more than 3 from this draft starting....and probably only 2 at most (Richardson and Weeden).

I hope Schwartz and the other lineman are starters as well. As far I I know we don't have a right side of the line right now.
 
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DaveyBoy;2149249; said:
Trent Richardson was a safe but expensive pick at a position of moderate need.......A-

Weeden was a significant risk and expensive pick at a position of need....B

Hughes was an extremely high risk with a moderate cost but not a position of need.....C-

Mitchell Schwartz was a good pick and fairly inexpensive at a position of moderate need......B

Travis Benjamin was a so-so pick and inexpensive but at a position that needed major upgrade.......B

Overall: B-........which happens to be close to what many experts are saying. Therefore it isn't hard to figure this draft was supposed to be a big builder for the Browns but it fizzled out a little.


bottom line: if Trent Richardson does what Holmgren thinks he can do, he will make this a B draft for the Browns. Not bad. If Weeden proves to be noticeably better than McCoy, then it moves to B+.

Most drafts seem to hinge on the # of players drafted that are starting by year 2. I really don't see any more than 3 from this draft starting....and probably only 2 at most (Richardson and Weeden).

Richardson and Schwartz will be the only contributors from a draft in which the Browns started with 13 picks. And the T-Rich pick was an easy one, so I hardly give the front office credit for that. This was an 'F' of a draft if I ever saw one.
 
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DaveyBoy;2149249; said:
Trent Richardson was a safe but expensive pick at a position of moderate need.......A-

Weeden was a significant risk and expensive pick at a position of need....B

Hughes was an extremely high risk with a moderate cost but not a position of need.....C-

Mitchell Schwartz was a good pick and fairly inexpensive at a position of moderate need......B

Travis Benjamin was a so-so pick and inexpensive but at a position that needed major upgrade.......B

Overall: B-........which happens to be close to what many experts are saying. Therefore it isn't hard to figure this draft was supposed to be a big builder for the Browns but it fizzled out a little.


bottom line: if Trent Richardson does what Holmgren thinks he can do, he will make this a B draft for the Browns. Not bad. If Weeden proves to be noticeably better than McCoy, then it moves to B+.

Most drafts seem to hinge on the # of players drafted that are starting by year 2. I really don't see any more than 3 from this draft starting....and probably only 2 at most (Richardson and Weeden).

What could have been. This draft could have been so much better. IMO, it was managed poorly. After alot of Tai Chi Sunday and the attempt to gain understanding of the Browns draft, here are my grades:

3(1) - Trent Richardson, RB - Grade B. If Cleveland stayed at 4, IMO, I think they would have gotten TRich. Still the #4, and picks in the 4th, 5th and 7th was too much to move up ONE spot. Knee jerk move on managements part. This would be an "A" if they stood pat.

22 (1) - Brandon Weedon, QB - Grade C-. Why draft a 28 yr old QB at this point in the draft? Management IMO lacks a true future vision on what they want to accomplish wit this franchise. You will see this statement often: "Could have gotten a player with much more value at this point. Agree Colt McCoy is not the answer but Weedon is not the answer either.
Pick should have been: David DeCasto, G.

37 (2) - Mitchell Schwartz, T - Grade B-. Every mock draft I saw showed him being available in the 3rd round. I think they should have gone receiver or Defense. Vinny Curry, DE (Upgrade to what we got in FA).

87 (3) - John Hughes, DT- Grade D-. SMH. The only reason this is not an "F" is there is a possibility that this kid might contribute. Pick should have been: Mitchell Schwartz, T.

100 (4) - Travis Benjamin, WR - Grade C. WR is the pick here BUT is Benjamin the best pick. I liked Joe Adams a bit better as well as Martin (MSU) and Toon (Wisky). Pick: Joe Adams, WR.

120 (4) - J.M. Johnson, LB - Grade C. Hands down, you get a CB here since you picked up Vinny Curry in the 2nd. Ron Brooks or Brandon Boykin here. Granted Boykin is a bit undersized but he is a playmaker.
Pick: Ron Brooks, CB since he is a little better against the run.

156 (5) - Ryan Miller, G/T - Grade B-. I'm OK with this pick at this juncture of the draft. Good value and can play G or T. Project RT.

204 (6) - Emmanual Ocho, LB - Grade B-, Again, I'm OK with this pick and adds depth to a positioin of need. Starter? Maybe.

205 (6) - Billy Winn, DT - Grade B, Depth at DT and should be a very good rotational player. Good value pick IMO.

245 (7) - Trevin Wade, CB - Grade B. At this juncture of the draft, they need the dudes. Depth in the secondary.

247 (7) - Brad Smelly, TE - See Above.

I think we all agree that this draft should have been so much better. Overall grade: C. Grade could have been an A- or B.
 
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Have not been able to check in to BP since before the draft... too lazy to read all that I missed so just went back 2 pages to grab a few thoughts. Needless to say... I AM NOT HAPPY!


redguard117;2149233; said:
I simply cannot understand the Weeden/Hughes picks, at all. And I've spent a lot of time thinking about them.

The chances of Weeden being elite are minimal, so why go with a mediocre qb when we can "suck" for a year and get a high pick to use on a potentially elite qb next year. There's little chance of winning anything with a mediocre qb, unless you have a truly elite defense and a great rb (see the Jets and Ravens), but currently that's not happening. Ugh... I could go on and on but I'll stop here.

And seriously, what the [censored] were they thinking when they drafted Hughes in the 3rd round???

Where to start with Weeden, if the Browns think he can come in right away to start then I don't mind picking him at #22. The ONLY way I would be okay with this pick is when they suck this year and pick Top 10 next season and a very good QB is available they would still pick him (unless Weeden proves us all wrong and comes in like gangbusters) Next year's QB crop looks VERY good. Maybe not Griffin/Luck good, but tons better than Tannehill/Weeden.

The Hughes pick is blah to me. I would have traded up to get Randle, but he fits for this team. I heard some analysis that this guy is a true space eating DT that is really strong against the run and he made the Wolfe kid look good by clearing him up to make plays. Not a sexy pick for sure, and could have been drafted a few rounds later, but if he fits exactly how they want to use him... He's a late 3rd rounder. blah.


OH10;2149268; said:
Richardson and Schwartz will be the only contributors from a draft in which the Browns started with 13 picks. And the T-Rich pick was an easy one, so I hardly give the front office credit for that. This was an 'F' of a draft if I ever saw one.

+100000000000000000000000

Richardson will be a star for us. Everyone knows I HATED the pick. Why? Because he isn't going to make the team better. Hope he can still pile up stats against 8/9 man fronts with everyone keying on him. This is a passing league and we still won't be able to pass the ball.

While Schwartz wouldn't have been my choice at RT, if the Browns feel he can come in right away and start at RT... more power to them. It was the right choice. The Browns have NOBODY that can play RT at the moment and HAD to pick our starting RT in this draft (especially since we need a strong OL so Richardson can run). They couldn't wait because by the 3rd round you can't promise me the guy that would have been available could start from Day 1.


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Now for my overall thoughts. They had to compound the Richardson mistake by picking Weeden at #22 :smash: I was screaming to take Reiff to start at RT. That would have freed them up to take any of the WRs in the 2nd round since they were falling (Heck, Worthy/Still would have been a good 2nd round pick in my mind too vs picking Hughes if they really wanted a DT in this draft)

Actually I don't mind their draft from their 2nd 4th rounder on down. They drafted speed on defense which this team needs. They can come in and contribute on special teams and with a lil seasoning take over for the aging guys ahead of them.

What to say about Benjamin... they pick a speedy WR... but they passed on some better speedy WRs that were picked right after them. Hello Arkansas WRs... Adams/Wright/Childs would have been better.

Overall my view is this just sucked. I liked the previous couple years drafts right away but this year just makes me feel :sick1:

This organization is going to have a real problem next year. Weeden is going to have a learning curve. The front office is going to get a TON of grief when Weeden looks lost in pre-season forcing them to start Colt McCoy. Then they will force feed Weeden in after they start off 0-6 against the Colts. Then Weeden will show he has better tools, but fold against the pressure like a cheap suit.

If the Browns have a top 5 pick... If Weeden hasn't shown anything, can they pass on a top QB? They will... the only lucky thing is that will free them to take whatever stud WR there is available in the Top 5.

But by then we will be moving on to the next front office hire and start on another 5 year plan :bonk:
 
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y0yoyoin;2149052; said:
thank you

The problem with that line of thinking is that do you know what Browns fans would be if they didn't bitch up a storm when they don't like the direction of their team? Cubs fans. I'm all for being fair minded and not being negative all the time, but I also want a winner.
 
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ArmyVet83;2149270; said:
What could have been. This draft could have been so much better. IMO, it was managed poorly. After alot of Tai Chi Sunday and the attempt to gain understanding of the Browns draft, here are my grades:

3(1) - Trent Richardson, RB - Grade B. If Cleveland stayed at 4, IMO, I think they would have gotten TRich. Still the #4, and picks in the 4th, 5th and 7th was too much to move up ONE spot. Knee jerk move on managements part. This would be an "A" if they stood pat.

22 (1) - Brandon Weedon, QB - Grade C-. Why draft a 28 yr old QB at this point in the draft? Management IMO lacks a true future vision on what they want to accomplish wit this franchise. You will see this statement often: "Could have gotten a player with much more value at this point. Agree Colt McCoy is not the answer but Weedon is not the answer either.
Pick should have been: David DeCasto, G.

37 (2) - Mitchell Schwartz, T - Grade B-. Every mock draft I saw showed him being available in the 3rd round. I think they should have gone receiver or Defense. Vinny Curry, DE (Upgrade to what we got in FA).

87 (3) - John Hughes, DT- Grade D-. SMH. The only reason this is not an "F" is there is a possibility that this kid might contribute. Pick should have been: Mitchell Schwartz, T.

100 (4) - Travis Benjamin, WR - Grade C. WR is the pick here BUT is Benjamin the best pick. I liked Joe Adams a bit better as well as Martin (MSU) and Toon (Wisky). Pick: Joe Adams, WR.

120 (4) - J.M. Johnson, LB - Grade C. Hands down, you get a CB here since you picked up Vinny Curry in the 2nd. Ron Brooks or Brandon Boykin here. Granted Boykin is a bit undersized but he is a playmaker.
Pick: Ron Brooks, CB since he is a little better against the run.

156 (5) - Ryan Miller, G/T - Grade B-. I'm OK with this pick at this juncture of the draft. Good value and can play G or T. Project RT.

204 (6) - Emmanual Ocho, LB - Grade B-, Again, I'm OK with this pick and adds depth to a positioin of need. Starter? Maybe.

205 (6) - Billy Winn, DT - Grade B, Depth at DT and should be a very good rotational player. Good value pick IMO.

245 (7) - Trevin Wade, CB - Grade B. At this juncture of the draft, they need the dudes. Depth in the secondary.

247 (7) - Brad Smelly, TE - See Above.

I think we all agree that this draft should have been so much better. Overall grade: C. Grade could have been an A- or B.

Agree with everything .... especially the Trich piece (I would have stayed put and drafted Kalil, then started talking to the Vikings about what they want to give up for him), H&H walked into the draft day poker game, and couldnt spot the sucker. IF you dont make the trade up 1 spot you still have pieces to move up ahead of the Titans to take Wright, thats all I will say.

Only bone to pick is the Weeden grade its a pure and simple F. Like the adult but this has nothing to do with him. Picking a QB there is a lose lose situation. so lets play out some scenarios

1) Weeden is a hit the first year leads us to 5 wins (i'm being generous), awesome we're picking somewhere between 4 & 6 again and likely lose out on top prospects in the draft, and with no guarantee that Weeden wont flounder in year 2+.
2) Weeden doesn't win the starting QB job. What should happen is H&H should be fired immediately, but wont, we will suck our way to 2 wins, and then because of H&H's ego, plus we spent a first round pick this year on a QB they will pass on QBs until over reaching for one in the 2nd round of 2013.
3) Weeden wins the startin QB job, but sucks - see above
4) God teases Cleveland, somehow some QB leads us to the playoffs or an 8-8 season, We should still be drafting a QB but wont.

I don't see how we are not trying to draft another QB next year. Again this isn't about Weeden, outside of RGIII or Luck, I would say the same thing about any QB in this draft going to the Browns, so this has nothing to do with Weeden, is about picking a non top flight QB in the first round.

My biggest concern is Homegren and/or Heckert are still around next year and their egos get in the way, Looking at the Eagles after Heckert left, there drafts have been better, Seattle well its Seattle.
 
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Hughes in round 3 has F- written all over it. The rest of the lower picks I can wait and see live with kind of thing, but we already have "project" receivers like Carlton Mitchell, who has never really gotten a chance to play. Why draft another? It's possible Benjamin will be ready to contribute immediately, but doubtful. Miller could eventually start, so that could be a plus in the later rounds. Schwartz could be a good RT and he played with Mack. LBs can hopefully at least be small rotation (10% of snaps) guys. Bottom line this is the draft that will define this regime, so they had better be right.
 
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Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that John Hughes, Travis Benjamin, J.M. Johnson, Ryan Miller, Emmanual Ocho, Billy Winn, Trevin Wade, and Brad Smelly will be out of the NFL in 5 years?


Terrible, terrible draft. The Browns needed to get much, much better, and I just don't see it. They maybe got better, but that isn't saying much for this team. I was hoping that they would improve more than their division foes. Unfortunately, I think Pittsburgh and especially Cincinnati got much more better that Cleveland.

Gonna be a long year.
 
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redguard117;2149384; said:
Am I the only one who much prefers Tyler Wilson (or Aaron Murray) to Barkley?

Murray's to short for my liking... Wilson... haven't seen him do it on a big stage... but Barkley might not want the pay cut to go to Cleveland
 
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