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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

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jlb1705;2142884; said:
Don't look at the schedule to find out how many they'll win or lose. Look at a mock draft for next year instead. The Browns will win precisely as many games as needed to preclude them from drafting the player they need the most.
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This.

That schedule is set up nicely for a legitimate run at Barkley. But, they'll manage to win a couple games they shouldn't and draft in the 4-6 range. As always.
 
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NFBuck;2142933; said:
This.

That schedule is set up nicely for a legitimate run at Barkley. But, they'll manage to win a couple games they shouldn't and draft in the 4-6 range. As always.
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Not another overhyped USC QB... :biggrin:

Next year sets up to have quite a few QBs that can go Top 10. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson to name the top seniors. Then you have the likes of Aaron Murray/Tyler Bray that can come out, and god knows Bray should to avoid the train wreck known as Tennessee football.

All depends on how things shake out next season. I can also see a Geno Smith type that has an awesome season ala Robert Griffin and move up the draft boards too.

Ahhhh, only in Cleveland. Before the current year's draft we are looking ahead to next season's Top 5 draft pick
 
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Piney;2143153; said:
Not another overhyped USC QB... :biggrin:

Next year sets up to have quite a few QBs that can go Top 10. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson to name the top seniors. Then you have the likes of Aaron Murray/Tyler Bray that can come out, and god knows Bray should to avoid the train wreck known as Tennessee football.

All depends on how things shake out next season. I can also see a Geno Smith type that has an awesome season ala Robert Griffin and move up the draft boards too.

Ahhhh, only in Cleveland. Before the current year's draft we are looking ahead to next season's Top 5 draft pick
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and this doesn't take into account someone like keith price either. there are a lot of potentially very good qb prospects in the 2013 draft.
 
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NFBuck;2143168; said:
All the more reason that the Tannehill hype is baffling...
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It happens with a couple of QBs every year. I mean Tannehill at least looks the part. He played in a NFL style offense in college with a head coach with NFL coaching. He does have a strong arm, size and athletic. He had some huge games... and some bad ones. But he is the 3rd best QB in this draft. Which either says alot about him or not alot about the other QBs in this draft.

People say he is being hyped, but I have read that quite a few professional NFL scouts have loved him since last year. It just took til February for the TV NFL scouts to hear from their sources that Tannehill has always been a legit mid-1st round QB prospect and slowly started hyping him. Then once Washington traded up and Cleveland is stuck at #4 without a QB... Tannehill=Talking Points. Throw in he ran a west coast offense in college and the 'hype' finally caught up to the scouting.

Does that mean I love him? Nope... I like him alot better than Weeden who played in a wide open shotgun offense with a Top 10 WR and he barely got touched in the pocket. Weeden is older and will have a longer learning curve and by the time he will be ready to even play he will be 30+ years old. NO THANK YOU!
 
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I don't want to talk about any QB's until the 4th round. Okay, maybe the 3rd with Cousins.

Anyhow, my real question is led said the Browns do take Richardson at #4 and do not take Claiborne. How come there isn't much chatter about the Browns taking the CB from Alabama at #22 or will he be gone by then or let's say that we trade out the #4 and then end up in the mid-teens would he be a good value mid-teens.
 
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LitlBuck;2143260; said:
I don't want to talk about any QB's until the 4th round. Okay, maybe the 3rd with Cousins.

Anyhow, my real question is led said the Browns do take Richardson at #4 and do not take Claiborne. How come there isn't much chatter about the Browns taking the CB from Alabama at #22 or will he be gone by then or let's say that we trade out the #4 and then end up in the mid-teens would he be a good value mid-teens.
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For me, if you take Richardson at #4, then you have to dedicate the first 3 picks to the offense. Top WR at #22 and either another WR at #37 or if set on a QB then take a QB at #37. If the #4 is on a RB, you had better damn well take the best WR at #22 to ensure that some meaningful upgrade has taken place on the offensive side of the ball. Can't go part of the way in upgrading the offense with a RB at #4, must pair that with best WR at #22.

Which brings me back to taking Claiborne at #4. Then #22 is a WR and #37 could be a RB. With Claiborne at #4, you have at least made one side of the ball that is pretty damn good. Personally, I think Claiborne comes in and is the top CB on the team. I don't see any other CB in this draft that could do that, could supplant Hayden as the "shut down" corner that is.
 
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buckiprof;2143270; said:
For me, if you take Richardson at #4, then you have to dedicate the first 3 picks to the offense. Top WR at #22 and either another WR at #37 or if set on a QB then take a QB at #37. If the #4 is on a RB, you had better damn well take the best WR at #22 to ensure that some meaningful upgrade has taken place on the offensive side of the ball. Can't go part of the way in upgrading the offense with a RB at #4, must pair that with best WR at #22.

Which brings me back to taking Claiborne at #4. Then #22 is a WR and #37 could be a RB. With Claiborne at #4, you have at least made one side of the ball that is pretty damn good. Personally, I think Claiborne comes in and is the top CB on the team. I don't see any other CB in this draft that could do that, could supplant Hayden as the "shut down" corner that is.
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To me if they go RB at 4 they had better go RT at 22 or 37...being able to run to only one side will make the offense horribly predictable (moreso than it already is). We need a run-blocking RT in the first 2 rounds if Richardson is going to be worth anything close to max value. I think WR makes sense for the other pick. If they are going to make this team better, do it in the trenches and go QB next year if McCoy fails again. I still agree I would rather have Claiborne though.
 
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Bucklion;2143422; said:
Likely nothing to see here, but...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/04/cleveland_browns_to_conduct_pr.html#incart_hbx
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That's to make sure Minnesota doesn't think about trading down and thinking they still would get there guy. And I am sure the Browns asked a million questions about playing the RT position just in case.


Bucklion;2143277; said:
To me if they go RB at 4 they had better go RT at 22 or 37...being able to run to only one side will make the offense horribly predictable (moreso than it already is). We need a run-blocking RT in the first 2 rounds if Richardson is going to be worth anything close to max value. I think WR makes sense for the other pick. If they are going to make this team better, do it in the trenches and go QB next year if McCoy fails again. I still agree I would rather have Claiborne though.
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Good points by prof & lion here. The overall point is all the picks combine together. Picking a player in a vacuum isn't correct. Would people be pissed if they picked Claiborne at #4, got Wright at #22 and the #37 Weeden? And then traded back into the 2nd round to get a RB like Lamar Miller/LaMichael James? Then picked OLine + WR rest of draft?

It's all about maximizing your draft picks.
 
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jlb1705;2142884; said:
Don't look at the schedule to find out how many they'll win or lose. Look at a mock draft for next year instead. The Browns will win precisely as many games as needed to preclude them from drafting the player they need the most.
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Yep, almost seem to be just one or two picks away. This year it was RG3/Luck, last year was AJ Green/Von Miller/Peterson.

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Next year's schedule looks awful, ugh likely going to be another painful year of Browns football!

Holmgren
Year 1: 5 wins
Year 2 (easy @$$ schedule): 4 wins
Year 3: Not looking great



I know this FO is building for the long haul and I love what Heckert is doing, but this is not a good trend and the FO is likely going to feel the heated if this season goes as anticipated. However, I am fully in favor of rolling with McCoy this year, doing abysmal and being in the running for one of the top QBs next year instead of taking Weeden at 22 or 37. Or please not Ryan Tannehill.
 
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Bucklion;2143277; said:
To me if they go RB at 4 they had better go RT at 22 or 37...being able to run to only one side will make the offense horribly predictable (moreso than it already is). We need a run-blocking RT in the first 2 rounds if Richardson is going to be worth anything close to max value. I think WR makes sense for the other pick. If they are going to make this team better, do it in the trenches and go QB next year if McCoy fails again. I still agree I would rather have Claiborne though.
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Only thing I don't quite agree with is RT at #22 or #37. Yes we need a RT but I think you can get a RT in the 3rd round. RT's are easier to find than LT's and good ones are there in 3rd round. But if I bring the RT spot into play, then if Richardson is the pick at #4, then #22, #7 and 3rd round pick should all be offense, with the 3rd round pick being a RT. Basically, if RB is the pick at #4, the first 4 picks better be offense or they are being maximized.

And you actually hit on my biggest beef of the FA period. While it would have been nice to get a WR in FA or a RB, realistically considering the state of the team, getting a WR that would be a difference maker wasn't possible....why go to Cleveland? There is overpaying for a FA and I don;t know if the Browns could have overpaid enough to get a WR via free agency. But the could have overpaid and brought a RT in during free agency, then that simplifies the draft some.

Look, I can admit that Heckert knows more about football than me. I also like the "build through the draft" plan, I really do. But "building through the draft" and bringing in a RT via free agency, filling a big hole on the team via free agency, are not mutually exclusive. I really, really wanted a RT free agent signed so that one area of need could be crossed off the list heading into the draft. I was fine with now WR or RB, just give me a stinking RT! Logically, that makes planning for the draft easier as there is one less big hole to worry about filling.

My final bitch about the FA period....at least until April 30th :biggrin:.
 
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