Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[NJ-Buckeye]

...and that's a reason you don't see anybody talking about the clowns taking Kalil if he's there.

Teams with this many needs just don't have the luxury of drafting the BPA with their high picks.

wait.. wait.. you mean we're more than one need away from the playoffs?!?!! nobody is talking about the clowns taking Kalil is because nobody believes he makes it past #3

BTW... Richardson or Claiborne... I'm all smiles too... but the thought of what Joe Thomas has done for us... or a Jake Long... dang... just love lineman that can look at a D-lineman and say "you should just sit down today cuz you're going nowhere"

 

[NFBuck]

wait.. wait.. you mean we're more than one need away from the playoffs?!?!! nobody is talking about the clowns taking Kalil is because nobody believes he makes it past #3

BTW... Richardson or Claiborne... I'm all smiles too... but the thought of what Joe Thomas has done for us... or a Jake Long... dang... just love lineman that can look at a D-lineman and say "you should just sit down today cuz you're going nowhere"

That's my entire point. We have much bigger needs than a RT. And, drafting at #4 gives them an opportunity to fill a couple of them with potentially elite players. Drafting a RT there leaves those elite players on the board and fills a position that, while it is a need, isn't as big of a need as the others. Pairing Kalil w/ Thomas is great...if it didn't leave the other, bigger, holes open. Not to mention, you're now dumping a LT, #4 overall pick, salary into RT.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

Wasn't there a total overhaul in the rookie comp structure? I thought is was conceptually similar to NBA now where you're slotted into a comp level instead of the wild rookie contracts of old ??? maybe I'm wrong.. but I thought that was part of the great appeal to now trade for top picks cuz you wouldn't be taking on ludicrous rookie salaries

 

[NFBuck]

Wasn't there a total overhaul in the rookie comp structure? I thought is was conceptually similar to NBA now where you're slotted into a comp level instead of the wild rookie contracts of old ??? maybe I'm wrong.. but I thought that was part of the great appeal to now trade for top picks cuz you wouldn't be taking on ludicrous rookie salaries

I believe so, but pretty sure the #4 pick still commands a pretty good salary. But, that's just part of it. I still believe Richardson at RB, or Claiborne at CB helps this team significantly more than Kalil at RT.

 

[y0yoyoin]

Peter King ‏ @SI_PeterKing

Mock-drafted out. Have talked to 7 highly trustworthy NFL people today. And I can tell you this: No one knows what Cleveland's doing at 4.

 

[ysubuck]

Peter King ‏ @SI_PeterKing

Mock-drafted out. Have talked to 7 highly trustworthy NFL people today. And I can tell you this: No one knows what Cleveland's doing at 4.

INCLUDING CLEVELAND!!!!!!

 

[Poe McKnoe]

Off topic. But if you see the headline "Joe Haden dies in horrific Lamborghini accident", don't be shocked.

Nice car, tho.

 

[LitlBuck]

According to Drennan:crazy: and I have no idea where he got his intel but the Eagles are supposedly interested in the Texas A&M QB and are willing to give up their first-round and their 2 second round picks. Their first-round pick is around #15 and their second round selections are in the early 20s. I don't know if I would make this deal or not because I don't know who would be available at #15. I would like to stay in the top 6-8. Let's not shoot the messenger. I just heard this and maybe it is nothing.

 

[Bucklion]

Kinda shocked this weekend to see that Terry Pluto, who is less clueless than the other sportswriters in Cleveland, said the Browns are probably going with Claiborne based on his sources. He's the first person here I have seen say that publicly. It does go to the theory though that no one, including Cleveland, knows what they're doing with it yet.

 

[AKAK]

They don't know what they're gonna do because, well... they don't know what anyone else is doing.

I think this is what they are thinking... and of course all of you are too... but, this is how I see it now.

While I get understand those folks who say not to trade down and get impact players, I think the H&H crew also know that drafting is an inexact science and the more chances you get, the more likely you get hits...

So, my guess is this.

Luck and Grififn come off the board...

Then we need to see what happens with Khalil.

If, indeed he comes off at 3...

And, the rumors are right (and I think they are) that the Browns would be happy with either Claiborne or Richardson, they see if the Rams want to take no chances and move to get Blackmon.

Then, no matter what TB does, you have one of the 2 on the board at 6.

(While the universe thinks TB takes Richardson there, the point has been mad on this thread that they need CB's too, so, who cares.)

Now...

The kicker here is, in this scenario, Tannehill is still on the board.

Now, the Dolphins and the Eagles and whoever else are gonna start to get edgy...

I'd still ask the Eagles for the 15 and both 2's to get to 6. And, depending, what they like at 8... they can ask for maybe the 8 and a second from Miami.

But, even to drop to 15...

You'd then have:

#15 from Philly
#22 From Atl
#37
#39 From Redskins via Rams (I'm guessing this is the one STL would use to move up)
#46 from Philly
#51 from Arizona via Philly

Plus, the #67, #100, #118, #139, #160 and the #211 you can use to trade back up for guys (This doesn't include the compensatory selections)

Now, this all assumes the "trade ups" are this years picks, and of course the Eagles, or someone else, might like to use a "next year" pick to move up.

But, having said that, if you told me blind that there might be a (soemwhat plausible) scenario whereby you could have 6 picks in the first 2 rounds on a team with this many holes, and 9 more after that to draft all the long snappers your heart desires... that wouldn't be bad. If a good draft means getting 4 starters, I'd think you're really looking at 7 to 9 with that. Heck you've got 7 picks in 1 to 3 where you should get starters and 8 more flyers to take find 2 more. Shit, go all Al Davis with the last 8 and see who can actually play.

Regardless, I'm all for trading the #4 for the #6 and #39 and seeing what happens.

 

[tsteele316]

They don't know what they're gonna do because, well... they don't know what anyone else is doing.

I think this is what they are thinking... and of course all of you are too... but, this is how I see it now.

While I get understand those folks who say not to trade down and get impact players, I think the H&H crew also know that drafting is an inexact science and the more chances you get, the more likely you get hits...

So, my guess is this.

Luck and Grififn come off the board...

Then we need to see what happens with Khalil.

If, indeed he comes off at 3...

And, the rumors are right (and I think they are) that the Browns would be happy with either Claiborne or Richardson, they see if the Rams want to take no chances and move to get Blackmon.

Then, no matter what TB does, you have one of the 2 on the board at 6.

(While the universe thinks TB takes Richardson there, the point has been mad on this thread that they need CB's too, so, who cares.)

Now...

The kicker here is, in this scenario, Tannehill is still on the board.

Now, the Dolphins and the Eagles and whoever else are gonna start to get edgy...

I'd still ask the Eagles for the 15 and both 2's to get to 6. And, depending, what they like at 8... they can ask for maybe the 8 and a second from Miami.

But, even to drop to 15...

You'd then have:

#15 from Philly
#22 From Atl
#37
#39 From Redskins via Rams (I'm guessing this is the one STL would use to move up)
#46 from Philly
#51 from Arizona via Philly

Plus, the #67, #100, #118, #139, #160 and the #211 you can use to trade back up for guys (This doesn't include the compensatory selections)

Now, this all assumes the "trade ups" are this years picks, and of course the Eagles, or someone else, might like to use a "next year" pick to move up.

But, having said that, if you told me blind that there might be a (soemwhat plausible) scenario whereby you could have 6 picks in the first 2 rounds on a team with this many holes, and 9 more after that to draft all the long snappers your heart desires... that wouldn't be bad. If a good draft means getting 4 starters, I'd think you're really looking at 7 to 9 with that. Heck you've got 7 picks in 1 to 3 where you should get starters and 8 more flyers to take find 2 more. Shit, go all Al Davis with the last 8 and see who can actually play.

Regardless, I'm all for trading the #4 for the #6 and #39 and seeing what happens.

i don't see the rams making the deal quite frankly. if they do, they essentially make themselves look worse for not taking cleveland's offer for RG3, especially knowing that they could have possibly gotten a late round throw in pick for good measure.

but, it's no coincidence that everyone is now saying that cleveland is going to take blackmon at #4. if that happens, and tampa takes claiborne, it's a nightmare scenario for the rams. they can't take richardson. even with jackson being old, a team that can't protect the qb, has no wide receivers, and can't defend the pass can take a backup rb at #6.

 

[Tonyank]

According to Drennan:crazy: and I have no idea where he got his intel but the Eagles are supposedly interested in the Texas A&M QB and are willing to give up their first-round and their 2 second round picks. Their first-round pick is around #15 and their second round selections are in the early 20s. I don't know if I would make this deal or not because I don't know who would be available at #15. I would like to stay in the top 6-8. Let's not shoot the messenger. I just heard this and maybe it is nothing.

i heard some people talking about this as well.

 

[AKAK]

i don't see the rams making the deal quite frankly. if they do, they essentially make themselves look worse for not taking cleveland's offer for RG3, especially knowing that they could have possibly gotten a late round throw in pick for good measure.

but, it's no coincidence that everyone is now saying that cleveland is going to take blackmon at #4. if that happens, and tampa takes claiborne, it's a nightmare scenario for the rams. they can't take richardson. even with jackson being old, a team that can't protect the qb, has no wide receivers, and can't defend the pass can take a backup rb at #6.

I absolutely agree, but, in the long term, they have the resources to insure their bet that the redskins picks in the future will be better than the Browns picks they would have gotten, you know in a perverse sort of way. There's probably a creative way to make it not look too bad, I mean, heck the Browns could almost do it for anything and still get a player they really want.

Looking bad is one thing. Not getting the guy they want is worse.

 

[LitlBuck]

I absolutely agree, but, in the long term, they have the resources to insure their bet that the redskins picks in the future will be better than the Browns picks they would have gotten, you know in a perverse sort of way. There's probably a creative way to make it not look too bad, I mean, heck the Browns could almost do it for anything and still get a player they really want.

Looking bad is one thing. Not getting the guy they want is worse.

The only part of your scenario that I do not like and I mentioned it in my post regarding the possible trade with the Eagles is that I do not know if I like dropping from #4 all the way to #15 because you don't know who is going to be available and we really need a real quality pick and I don't see getting that at #15. I would be willing to go to #6 but not #15 for the reason I mentioned.

 

[Bucklion]

For the record basically the only person in the Cleveland media still convinced they will take Blackmon is Mary Kay Cabot...everyone else is going Richardson (she wrote so herself this weekend).