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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

We also need corners, corners, and more corners (OK, DBs, but you get the idea). We need corners who can play right now. We need corners who can be groomed by started them in nickel and dime packages. We need corners who can cover the slot, corners who can cover the flank, and corners who can cover the split. We need to draft them. We need to sign them. We need to have tryouts for them. One thing that has become evident is that we have Joe Haden and basically no one else. Brown is OK but has lost a step and can't stay healthy. Patterson is good as a 3rd but as a 1st or 2nd he has no hope of covering a guy like AJ Green. Skrine isn't NFL ready at any spot. Haden can be "that" guy for the 1s, but we need skill, depth, diversity of size and speed, everything, at that spot.
 
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BigWoof31;2221005; said:
Do the Browns play the 3-4 Defense? Jarvis is the best defensive player in college football but he would have a learning curve if he went back to a 4-3 defense.

it would be no different than von miller's transition to a hybrid player, or how the eagles used rosevelt colvin for so many years. the 3-4 to 4-3 transition for someone that plays OLB isn't a huge deal.
 
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tsteele316;2220997; said:
there are some positions where it simply wouldn't make sense to add another rookie. OG is one of them. Guards are also usually easy to find on the FA market and aren't terribly expensive. The other spot IMO is FS. you've got gipson and hagg, both of which the browns like, neither of which is ready to play on sundays yet. adding another rookie to that mix is also unproductive. you could probably even make the same argument for CB opposite Haden.

I fail to see how adding another talented CB wouldn't "make sense"... It's clear we need a solid #2. Skrine, Patterson and Wade can battle for the nickel spot.

Now I may agree they're might not be a "premium" CB in the 14' draft (same goes for FS) but adding talented players to the mix, regardless if they're rookies or not, is always a good decision. Young or Hagg aren't ball hawking FS' like this team needs. Neither will ever be that. So our option is either improve the front 4 or improve the secondary. We've spend a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder & a 3rd rounder the last 2 years on the Dline. I think the time to address the secondary has come around again.

Lord knows I don't necessarily disagree with you. We need a more consistent pass rush. However the back 4 seems to be more of a collective weakness then the front 4.

edit: That said - Jones probably would be the BPA should be actually acquire the #1 overall then trade down a few spots. More so then any CB that comes to mind to this.
 
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Latest Rebuild Not Working

Two minutes remained in the Browns-Bills game on Sunday when an interception was thrown. Most of the fans cheered, raised their arms in the air and pumped their fists.

A common scene in NFL stadiums.

But there was something disturbing about this one. The fans were from Buffalo. The game was in Cleveland. Bills wide receiver Stevie Johnson was conducting a celebration to the dismay of the few Browns fans who already hadn't shuffled out of the stadium.

The pick put the Browns at 0-3 and extended the team's losing streak to nine, the longest in the NFL. With games at Baltimore and the New York Giants looming, they are seemingly doomed to another lost season. In the silent locker room afterward, veteran middle linebacker D'Qwell Jackson spoke in hushed tones about watching helplessly on his home field as Johnson directed the red-and-blue cheerfest.

?I don't like it whatsoever," he said. "I've been here a long time, and I've never experienced that, and it's embarrassing. It's a shame we weren't able to put out a better effort.?
But that may be the problem. The effort appears to be there. It's the talent that's missing. In the third year of the latest rebuild, the Browns have shown no evidence of improvement and provided little reason for optimism. Team president Mike Holmgren hailed a new era when he arrived in Cleveland to rescue the failing franchise. He had a plan. He would build a championship team through the draft. He said it would take time.

But even Holmgren can't justify the lack of progress, which was painfully clear in the defeat Sunday. Dependence solely on the draft can be risky when a franchise is in a total rebuild. It requires hitting on late-round selections. It often results in unworthy sixth- and seventh-round picks starting. It results in undrafted free agents receiving significant playing time. It results not just in youth and inexperience but players being put on the field before they are ready.
more CBS
 
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Re: Team Marketing Report found that the average NFL ticket, purchased from a team, will cost $78.38 this season, up 2.5 percent from last year. The average cost to bring a family to the game and buy four regular tickets (not suite or club), two beers, four hot dogs, parking, program and two adult size hats is $443.93, up 3.9 percent from last year. The teams with the cheapest average tickets: Cleveland Browns ($54.20), Buffalo Bills ($58.36) and Jacksonville Jaguars ($59.54).

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8345872/new-york-jets-new-england-patriots-highest-ticket-prices-survey-shows

Go Browns....:biggrin:
 
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Buckeneye;2221049; said:
I fail to see how adding another talented CB wouldn't "make sense"... It's clear we need a solid #2. Skrine, Patterson and Wade can battle for the nickel spot.

Now I may agree they're might not be a "premium" CB in the 14' draft (same goes for FS) but adding talented players to the mix, regardless if they're rookies or not, is always a good decision. Young or Hagg aren't ball hawking FS' like this team needs. Neither will ever be that. So our option is either improve the front 4 or improve the secondary. We've spend a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder & a 3rd rounder the last 2 years on the Dline. I think the time to address the secondary has come around again.

Lord knows I don't necessarily disagree with you. We need a more consistent pass rush. However the back 4 seems to be more of a collective weakness then the front 4.

edit: That said - Jones probably would be the BPA should be actually acquire the #1 overall then trade down a few spots. More so then any CB that comes to mind to this.

it's more of a practical analysis. the browns are going to be picking top 5, and there is no top notch cb's in this draft right now. cleveland has no 2nd rounder. adding a 3rd round cb to the mix isn't a fix vs. signing a FA.
 
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ScriptOhio;2221080; said:
Re: Team Marketing Report found that the average NFL ticket, purchased from a team, will cost $78.38 this season, up 2.5 percent from last year. The average cost to bring a family to the game and buy four regular tickets (not suite or club), two beers, four hot dogs, parking, program and two adult size hats is $443.93, up 3.9 percent from last year. The teams with the cheapest average tickets: Cleveland Browns ($54.20), Buffalo Bills ($58.36) and Jacksonville Jaguars ($59.54).

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8345872/new-york-jets-new-england-patriots-highest-ticket-prices-survey-shows

Go Browns....:biggrin:


Fans are still overpaying to watch the Clowns.
 
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Well, it's about time Shurmur said something intelligent.
BEREA, Ohio -- Pat Shurmur sent a message loud and clear to receiver Greg Little Monday: catch the passes and drop the poses.

Shurmur warned Little that if he doesn't hang on, he'll be posing on the bench. "We can't play a guy that's going to drop footballs," said Shurmur.

Shurmur isn't amused by Little imitating Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt when he makes a first down -- one finger pointed to the sky, the other arm poised to shoot an arrow. He struck the pose with the Browns trailing the Bills, 17-7, in the third quarter and again in the fourth after a 17-yard catch that was wiped out by holding.​

Little also "Bolted" in Cincinnati and shimmied in the end
Plenty more at Browns

I really didn't need to be reminded of this again especially since 1999:sob:
Browns kicker Phil Dawson had a flashback Sunday night as he saw Ravens rookie Justin Tucker convert a 27-yard winning field goal that appeared to sail over the right upright as time expired.

Dawson had a similar kick, a 38-yarder against Jacksonville a season ago, ruled wide right. He protested vehemently to officials.​

"I know mine was good," he said. "That's a call you should get at home. That's why I went nuts." He acknowledged it's a tough decision for officials because the kick is almost impossible to simulate in practice.

For the record, Dawson thinks Rich Karlis' overtime field goal -- which lifted Denver past Cleveland in the 1987 AFC Championship Game -- was no good.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/09/brandon_weeden_still_trying_to.html
 
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BUCK3YE5;2222023; said:
Looks like the real refs will be back Sunday.

inb4 Browns get ****ed over tomorrow.

Do you really think the replacement refs that have been reffing NFL games for the past 7 weeks will be worse than the real NFL refs that have been sitting around their houses during that time? Look for tomorrow nights game to run extra long since the replacement refs won't give a fuck how many flags they throw.

The biggest problem so far this season is that coaches are telling the players not to respect the refs and force them to throw flags. That's why the games so far have been dirtier than normal. I expect to see the real refs crack down on the dirty play so don't expect the length of the games to get better for a few weeks until the coaches and players clean up their act.
 
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NFBuck;2222031; said:
They don't need any help doing that. If anything, some goofy officiating might allow them to remain competitive into the 3rd quarter.

Maybe we can get that crew from Seattle. Definitely evens the playing field.

I'm not going to lie, I'm just happy it's on national TV so I can actually watch a game. I fully expect that we'll lose by at least 3 scores, but you can't take the Cleveland out of the kid.
 
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