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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

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Would love Gilbert too... but doesn't the NFL have a rule about owning more than one professional franchise. I believe the guy who bought the Rams (Stan Kroenke) had to sell or transfer his ownership stake in the Nuggets/Avs? to one of his kids.
 
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AuTX Buckeye;2163662; said:
Would love Gilbert too... but doesn't the NFL have a rule about owning more than one professional franchise. I believe the guy who bought the Rams (Stan Kroenke) had to sell or transfer his ownership stake in the Nuggets/Avs? to one of his kids.
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I believe you can own other franchises in other sports, you just can't be the majority owner of multiple franchises as he's still a minority owner I thought with those other teams. Might be wayyy off though :)
 
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bigdog3300;2163663; said:
I believe you can own other franchises in other sports, you just can't be the majority owner of multiple franchises as he's still a minority owner I thought with those other teams. Might be wayyy off though :)
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I stand corrected... granted this is wiki info

In 2010, Kroenke exercised his right of first refusal to buy the remaining interest in the St. Louis Rams. On August 25, 2010, he became full owner of the Rams by unanimous consent of the NFL. To gain approval from NFL owners, Kroenke agreed to turn over control of the Denver Nuggets and Colorado Avalanche to his son, Josh, by the end of 2010, and he must give up his majority stake in both teams by December 2014. The NFL does not allow its owners to hold majority control of major league teams in other NFL markets.
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So I guess Gilbert could.
 
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June 07, 2012 11:05 p.m. - by Marty Gitlin

A report the Browns might be for sale has been denied by team spokesman Neil Gulkis, according to the Plain Dealer. Radio reporter Howard Eskin of WIP in Philadelphia said Browns owner Randy Lerner might have the team up for sale. Eskin repeated the claim on his Twitter account.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/19294184
 
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tsteele316;2163873; said:
randy lerner isn't the problem with the browns. he's just a popular scapegoat.
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Eh, he is and he isn't.

It's one of those things where, do you want a Jerry Jones type meddling owner or do you want one that stays out of the way and writes checks. He's always going to be the latter, but, when things are bad you always want a little bit more of the opposite of what you've got.

I think the valid criticisms of Lerner, early on was the tendency to make quick fixes and the inablity to form a strong management structure with defined effective roles. The hiring of Mangini before Kokinis, etc, was a complete debacle.

Having said that, I think the Holmgren/Heckert era has been a huge step at righting the ship with effective leadership, unfortunately things were so messed up that it's taken a while, and will take a while to get better. I'm not sure Shurmer is the "guy" here but, the key is to get an organizational structure that's effective and consistent moving forward. (as an added note I'll give Shurmer a bit of the benefit of the doubt trying to put in a new system - or not being able to - during a lockout and then almost no contribution from his Hillis, not to mention that was the worst possible thing for a guy like Greg Little that had already had a year out of football)

But it's not and has never been a question of spending cash on the team or crying poor or whatever. It's easy to love Dan Gilbert's passion and all the good things about him, but, he hasn't done a damn thing without LeBron, and until he does, I don't see it as much different. It's not as though Randy Lerner stepped into a great sitution in '02 or '03 or whatever and drove a once proud franchise into the ground.

None of this is made any easier by the fact that we're in the toughest division in the AFC, basically. But to compete, we needed to start be competing with Pittsburgh and Baltimore in the front office and organizational culture, and I think we're finally heading in that direction.

But, winning would be nice.
 
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AKAK;2163885; said:
Eh, he is and he isn't.

It's one of those things where, do you want a Jerry Jones type meddling owner or do you want one that stays out of the way and writes checks. He's always going to be the latter, but, when things are bad you always want a little bit more of the opposite of what you've got.

I think the valid criticisms of Lerner, early on was the tendency to make quick fixes and the inablity to form a strong management structure with defined effective roles. The hiring of Mangini before Kokinis, etc, was a complete debacle.

Having said that, I think the Holmgren/Heckert era has been a huge step at righting the ship with effective leadership, unfortunately things were so messed up that it's taken a while, and will take a while to get better. I'm not sure Shurmer is the "guy" here but, the key is to get an organizational structure that's effective and consistent moving forward. (as an added note I'll give Shurmer a bit of the benefit of the doubt trying to put in a new system - or not being able to - during a lockout and then almost no contribution from his Hillis, not to mention that was the worst possible thing for a guy like Greg Little that had already had a year out of football)

But it's not and has never been a question of spending cash on the team or crying poor or whatever. It's easy to love Dan Gilbert's passion and all the good things about him, but, he hasn't done a damn thing without LeBron, and until he does, I don't see it as much different. It's not as though Randy Lerner stepped into a great sitution in '02 or '03 or whatever and drove a once proud franchise into the ground.

None of this is made any easier by the fact that we're in the toughest division in the AFC, basically. But to compete, we needed to start be competing with Pittsburgh and Baltimore in the front office and organizational culture, and I think we're finally heading in that direction.

But, winning would be nice.
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Well put...he certainly isn't THE problem for the Browns...but he has been A problem in some important ways. Thing is, if someone else buys the team, you could get a guy like Kraft, or you could get Dan Snyder...and you never know which ahead of time. The Bears are an interesting parallel case, because the scapegoat there was always Angelo (GM, not owner, but scapegoat nonetheless)...he is gone now, so we'll see how that goes. It could get better...or a lot worse.
 
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Wallace isn't so dumb after all plus he has no desire to be the third string QB and he says neither does Colt.
BEREA, Ohio ? Cleveland Browns coach Pat Shurmur wouldn?t pick his starting quarterback. So Seneca Wallace went ahead and did it for him.

Although it?s only a matter of time before the job goes to rookie Brandon Weeden, Shurmur has been reluctant to say he?s the starter before training camp opens. But on the final day of media availability during the Browns? offseason program yesterday, Wallace brought clarity to the situation.

?I?m a realist,? Wallace said. ?Obviously, the kid was drafted in the first round for a reason, and it wasn?t they drafted him to come and sit on the bench. At some point, he?s going to play. If it?s the first week or it?s the 12th week, at some point the kid is going to play.?
Wallace wasn?t done there.

The 10-year veteran, who sat behind Colt McCoy last season, said that he doesn?t think there?s room on the roster for himself, Weeden and McCoy.

?Probably not,? Wallace said. ?Can any of you guys see all three of us being here??
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Holmgren having a press conference currently and is really putting out some shocking news from twitter. There are others lives are even more shocking:slappy:

NEOPatch RT @marykaycabot: #Browns Holmgren on Weeden: "He's as prepared to come in and start as any rookie I've seen in a long time.''
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treedPD Team keeps track of dropped passes in practice, Holmgren said.
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my personal favorite
treedPD Holmgren said Shurmur had many things to deal with last season and emerged "scarred but healthy and ready to go."
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More Holmgren on Weeden

Browns president Mike Holmgren gave rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden a strong vote of confidence while speaking with local reporters Thursday, saying that "he is as prepared to come in and start as a rookie as any quarterback I?ve seen in a long time because of his maturity level and his age.?

But Holmgren, who turned 64 today, has been around too long to know that there are no guarantees of any quarterback becoming a star.

"You don't know for sure,? he said. ?You are not going to go and bet the ranch on it. You base it on experience, you base it on guys you?ve coached, you base it on instincts, you base it on physical ability. The other thing that has to happen is that the supporting cast around the quarterback have to play and protect him.​

?You have to do those things. If you look at the Browns history, the number one draft picks, where you swear, and you look back and it didn't work for whatever reason. You can do that for every team, draft picks that didn't work. You go how did that not work? I just think this young man has a great upside. It's a feeling. It's an experience."
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/blogs/the-daily-hunter/2012/06/extra061512.html
 
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