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Cleveland Browns (2011 season)

A couple of observations:

1. I'm not sure who's to blame in the Hillis situation. Neither side is being completely honest about the issues. If Hillis wasn't playing yesterday, it is either because he lied and told the staff he had a pulled hammy to continue what I perceive to be his petulance OR the coaching staff made up the injury to justify their decision not to play him over contract issues. I personally think its the former. If anything, not playing Hillis yesterday increased his value to this team because Hardesty still can't catch the ball out of the backfield or pick up a blitz. So I tend to think it is still just Hillis being a primadonna - which would make all of the fanbacking he's getting ridiculous. Either way, the injury story is bogus. He wasn't icing it up. He wasn't trying to keep it loose on a stationary bike. There is no hamstring problem.

2. Colt McCoy can't throw out of the pocket. It is really an amazing lack of skill for someone who started for 4 years at Texas and has shown some real elusiveness at the quarterback position. But could you ever really envision Colt picking apart a defense standing comfortably in the pocket? He has one of the best LTs in football, and yet the coaching staff knows that the best option is to roll him out on a bootleg for a 4-yard crossing pattern. And it seems that his accuracy has taken a hit as well. He's overthrowing receivers on any route over 10 yards. The only time he's effective is against the prevent defense. Last year, he had potential. This year, we're seeing his ceiling. He's a slightly better version of Brady Quinn. I hate to say it so quickly in his career, but its time to move on.

3. Pat Shurmur is like a deer in headlights. I thought his hiring was an act of borderline nepotism at the time and its becoming more and more clear every game. This team has been woefully underprepared in every game its played. Its a miracle they won 2 games - and it will be a miracle if they win another. I knew it the first game when the Bengals got the TD pass from Gradkowski to Green when the defense couldn't figure out what the hell was going on. The offense routinely doesn't know what the hell is going on. Even Josh Cribbs, who has epitomized class within this dumpster fire of an organization, is vocally frustrated.

In the post-game press conference, he explained giving up a TD on the fake FG as "we were going for the block." Really? So, basically, you thought it was more likely that you were going to block Janikowki's kick than the Raiders were going to fake - so much so that you didn't even prepare your special teams for the posssibility?!?!? And when the field goal was going to keep a two-score game a two-score game, you thought the risk was worth the highly unlikely benefit. COME THE [censored] ON!

He has no idea what he is doing. The only thing he does right is accept blame. Stop saying you're sorry. Do better, like, I don't know, YESTERDAY! Or get a new job.

4. I hate fantanking. Yes, I realize we're better off losing the rest of our games and hoping to get Andrew Luck. This team isn't going anywhere. I get that. But I support my team every Sunday and I will continue to do so until the end of the season. If you feel differently, there may still be room on the Steelers bandwagon.
 
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tsteele316;2014896; said:
so, that would make him slightly better than brady quinn.

mccoy is one of the chief reasons the offense is struggling. he has yet to throw deep with any consistency. he doesn't throw intermediate routes at all, and just checks down, which lets defenses overload the box and take away the run game.

all the 3 yard dump offs while down by 2 scores in the world won't pad his stats enough to make him a viable long term qb unless he starts improving in other areas.

totally agree...we havent had a QB who could throw deep well since anderson...and im stretching by saying "well"...if we get the #1 pick and holmgren feels compelled to draft a QB we are looking at Matt Barkley and Landry Jones...my personal preference would be jones over barkley...id rather not have to draft a QB at all but this is the fucking browns so this the annual 2-year-and-draft-new-QB discussion....also

http://espn.go.com/nfl/notebook/_/page/lastcall1106/john-clayton-last-call

Maybe the Browns SHOULD trade Peyton Hillis. In the second half Sunday, the team announced Hillis was on the sideline for coaching reasons. Then the Browns said he had a hamstring injury. After that, he came back on the field. Since missing the Tennessee game (Week 4) on the advice of his agent because of strep throat, Hillis' playing time and success have dropped off. …

and this is also why i never buy browns jerseys...everyone with hillis jerseys will look like jackasses for wearing them next year when hes traded and trash talking the city of cleveland
 
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y0yoyoin;2014912; said:
totally agree...we havent had a QB who could throw deep well since anderson...and im stretching by saying "well"...if we get the #1 pick and holmgren feels compelled to draft a QB we are looking at Matt Barkley and Landry Jones...my personal preference would be jones over barkley...id rather not have to draft a QB at all but this is the [censored]ing browns so this the annual 2-year-and-draft-new-QB discussion....also

http://espn.go.com/nfl/notebook/_/page/lastcall1106/john-clayton-last-call



and this is also why i never buy browns jerseys...everyone with hillis jerseys will look like jackasses for wearing them next year when hes traded and trash talking the city of cleveland


Ugh... Jones... seriously... if he's on he's on... but man if he's off he's BAD. He isn't very consistent and his delivery is shit, and he gets rattled easy, Sam Bradford he aint. If you don't get Luck this year... then you find someway to get Jeffery or maybe Blackmon will be available with the Falcons pick...
 
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I admit I was more optimistic than some at the beginning of the year, but this team is a walking pile of suck. Also though it shows how an injury to one player at what many casual fans think is an inconsequential position can result in a disaster. Not many were balling their eyes out when Steinbach got hurt, but when your team's ONLY strength is the OL (and it's a good strength to have) and one of your 3 best guys gets hurt, you are left with a disaster. If they had ES and if Pashos could keep from ripping his dick off and missing a month of games every other week, the OL could be one of the best in football, even with Lavao/Pinkston at RG. Instead, the OL can't block anyone and Mack and JT are being wasted.

This team not only sucks, it sucks at every position, because there is no depth anywhere. Right now if you look at this roster and you pick the guys you would actually want playing for your team or developing on your team, who would it be?:

Joe Thomas, Mack, Little, Sheard, Rubin, Taylor, Haden, Ward, Fujita, Jackson, Ben Watson. 10 guys, give or take someone I missed. Guys like Alex Smith, Maricec, Patterson, Adams and Gocong at least aren't terrible and are serviceable for their roles. That still leaves about half the roster and half the starting positions as not having guys you want on your NFL team.

I just don't know where this team goes from here, honestly.
 
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Bucklion;2014933; said:
Joe Thomas, Mack, Little, Sheard, Rubin, Taylor, Haden, Ward, Fujita, Jackson, Ben Watson. 10 guys, give or take someone I missed. Guys like Alex Smith, Maricec, Patterson, Adams and Gocong at least aren't terrible and are serviceable for their roles.

I would put Evan Moore in there as well, but that still leaves you with a roster where your only solid, deep position is tight end.

Offensively, they are in a world of hurt without a solid quarterback. Goodell's rules of protection for QBs have made the most important position in football that much more important. Even with a #1 receiver, does anyone here think that the team is prepared to compete offensively with Colt McCoy as the quarterback? I wish I could see it. Last year, maybe. But he's just so limited that I have to say he's a backup on a good team, at best.
 
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As much as I like Colt - I just can't see him being the long term answer now.

That said while QB is a need it isn't the most pressing concern.

WR, RT, LG, CB, FS & HB all need to be addressed before Colt is shown the door. I wouldn't sink a high pick into a QB unless I was sure he was the real deal. Jones can be good, but he's also shown me enough to feel that he isn't a 1st pick for this franchise. He lacks Bradfords consistency, touch and release.
 
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Buckeneye;2014974; said:
WR, RT, LG, CB, FS & HB all need to be addressed before Colt is shown the door. I wouldn't sink a high pick into a QB unless I was sure he was the real deal. Jones can be good, but he's also shown me enough to feel that he isn't a 1st pick for this franchise. He lacks Bradfords consistency, touch and release.
Agree. If they fall ass-backwards into Andrew Luck, then yes, take him. But if it's Landry Jones or Barkley...no thanks.
 
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I really don't think it is fair to judge McCoy this season. He has no deep threat so that the defense doesn't have to worry about covering the long ball and a really only has 2/5 of an offensive line so he has no pocket to throw from. He is either being squeezed in the pocket or running for his life. I think if you could fill in most of the other holes that have been mentioned he would be a serviceable QB.

One of the problems that I have with Holmgren's management style about building from the draft and not picking up any veterans as by the time the quality guys that we have now will be past their prime by that time we fell in all the holes with draft choices.

I figure what the hell, I have been disappointed almost every Sunday since 1999 so I guess I will just have to suck it up and moan every Sunday night until the next debacle.:(
 
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While I do agree Colt is receiving next to nothing for help - he's also done alot to hurt his image as a developing QB.

Like I said - I'm not so sure if he is the long term answer. However he isn't the weakest link on this team and therefore we have much to address in the meantime. This will give him opportunities (hopefully) to show case his growth as a QB. Believe me, I want him to succeed.

That said. WR and RT/RG are still the most glaring issues I find. I like Gocong but he's another aging piece that needs a successor. Honestly aside from Jackson we don't have any LB's that can run with TE's.

A #2 CB & FS are right next in line for draft priority.
 
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JCOSU86;2015035; said:
The Browns' site is a riot. Longing for Mangini, Couch and Frye. Even Jake Delhomme got a nostalgic mention! Holy shit!!!!

that brown's site makes the osu free board look like a mensa convention. it has to be the biggest collective group of idiots to grace the internet, which is no small feat. it's by the grace of god that 50% of them can even wipe themselves.
 
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tsteele316;2015043; said:
that brown's site makes the osu free board look like a mensa convention. it has to be the biggest collective group of idiots to grace the internet, which is no small feat. it's by the grace of god that 50% of them can even wipe themselves.
And how many of our (BP's) collective brown fans weren't on there.
:slappy:

BTW A group drinkers my own age have persuaded me to go with them to the Nov. 13th game. The 40 yard line club ticket is free and we will tailgate (read- drink more) before the game. We are allowed to take only one 30 can case of beer each. WTH is that all about don't they realize we will have nothing to drink after the game? :wink2:

I better see an "A" game or I might never cheer for the brownies again.
 
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tsteele316;2015043; said:
that brown's site makes the osu free board look like a mensa convention. it has to be the biggest collective group of idiots to grace the internet, which is no small feat. it's by the grace of god that 50% of them can even wipe themselves.

The collection of everyones iq on the cleveland.com browns forum is lower then that of the ICP gathering of the juggalos...it was actually proven in a study conducted this past august
 
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JCOSU86;2015035; said:
The Browns' site is a riot. Longing for Mangini, Couch and Frye. Even Jake Delhomme got a nostalgic mention! Holy [Mark May]!!!!

tsteele316;2015043; said:
that brown's site makes the osu free board look like a mensa convention. it has to be the biggest collective group of idiots to grace the internet, which is no small feat. it's by the grace of god that 50% of them can even wipe themselves.
I have seen both of you guys posting over there so that speaks volumes about that site:wink:
 
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I hate to say it, but at this point I'm somewhat missing Mangini and Ryan.

At least with one we had a commitment to the run game, especially in the redzone. We wouldn't get cute on 3rd/4th and short. Just straight up power football.

I'd like to be known as a running team. Ball control. Clock control. With good defense. Pittsburgh was this way. Baltimore is that way.



The only plus I've seen so far with this front office is that they do seem to have a decent eye for talent in the draft.
 
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