Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

[hatehineygate]

Both suffered from the exact same injury to the elbow. One got the surgerey(Delhomme) and he sucked HARD and the other(Palmer) passed on the Tommy John Surgerey. The only other QB to have that injury/sugerey was Rob Johnson.

All three of those guys took a hard nose dive after they dinged their elbows.

 

[tsteele316]

The staff in Cinci obviously cleared Palmer last year too. I guess you thought him short arming balls all season was something you desire from your QB. The reason the Bengals lost to the Jets in the season finale and the playoffs was because Palmer couldnt hit anything, hit accuracy was shot.

or, it could be because the best defense in the NFL shut down their #1 wr, and cinci had absolutely no other wr threat and no TE, and the Jets controlled the clock for 7 more minutes. add to that the fact that palmer threw for 3000+ yards, and completed over 60% of his passes on the year.

or, it could be that you simply don't know what you're talking about, which would be par for the course.

 

[hatehineygate]

or, it could be because the best defense in the NFL shut down their #1 wr, and cinci had absolutely no other wr threat and no TE, and the Jets controlled the clock for 7 more minutes. add to that the fact that palmer threw for 3000+ yards, and completed over 60% of his passes on the year.

or, it could be that you simply don't know what you're talking about, which would be par for the course.

No, I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about in this one. In the season finale the Bengals didnt even attempt to throw the ball, maybe it was because of the weather. But then in the playoffs it was VERY obvious why they werent throwing as much. The pass Revis intercepted was horribly thrown, one of the easiest throws ever. He missed a wide open Caldwell in the endzone, over shot him by 7 feet at the end of the game His attempts over the middle were completely off.

Keep runnin your mouth, Palmer is done. He was injured in 2008 I believe, 3000 yards is nothing to what Palmer can do, since 08 he has been falling bad. 60% completion % is actually the second lowest % he has ever had. In 08 he had like a 58 and this past season he was 60.5% or somethign like that. Worse than his rookie year.......but yeah, his elbow isnt hurting him.........Check out how many times they tried to go downfield this year and last year as opposed to before he injured his elbow.........lolololol

 

[tsteele316]

No, I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about in this one. In the season finale the Bengals didnt even attempt to throw the ball, maybe it was because of the weather. But then in the playoffs it was VERY obvious why they werent throwing as much. The pass Revis intercepted was horribly thrown, one of the easiest throws ever. He missed a wide open Caldwell in the endzone, over shot him by 7 feet at the end of the game His attempts over the middle were completely off.

Keep runnin your mouth, Palmer is done. He was injured in 2008 I believe, 3000 yards is nothing to what Palmer can do, since 08 he has been falling bad. 60% completion % is actually the second lowest % he has ever had. In 08 he had like a 58 and this past season he was 60.5% or somethign like that. Worse than his rookie year.......but yeah, his elbow isnt hurting him.........Check out how many times they tried to go downfield this year and last year as opposed to before he injured his elbow.........lolololol

just so I understand your logic:

Delhomme is washed up because of his elbow, even though Cleveland put him through a battery of tests. You know this because of Carson Palmer's performance in a playoff game. you know this despite Palmer having a statistically good season, both in throwing yards, and completion %. you know this, despite cinci only having one viable WR and no TE. you know this, based on the evidence of one game, against the NFL's #1 defense, and arguably the best CB in the NFL.

That's your argument. As such, I wouldn't gloat about knowing what you're talking about.

 

[3074326]

Any of you Browns fans happen to know anyone on the team? Looking for an e-mail of a player or staff member to give me some short comments for a story I'm writing.

Long shot, but didn't think it would hurt to ask. :p

 

[hatehineygate]

just so I understand your logic:

Delhomme is washed up because of his elbow, even though Cleveland put him through a battery of tests. You know this because of Carson Palmer's performance in a playoff game. you know this despite Palmer having a statistically good season, both in throwing yards, and completion %. you know this, despite cinci only having one viable WR and no TE. you know this, based on the evidence of one game, against the NFL's #1 defense, and arguably the best CB in the NFL.

That's your argument. As such, I wouldn't gloat about knowing what you're talking about.

Both QBs were injured in 2008 and despite the team doctors clearing them to play both went on to have terrible years with respect to what they are accustomed to doing. Palmer had his two lowest completion %s of his career and Jake Delhomme played his way out of a 42M contract he signed the previous season.

Here is my argument, Jake Delhomme was a decent player before he had the same injury as Palmer. Since then he went 8TDs to 18INTs in 09 and if you count the last half of '08 he has 8TDs to 24INTs. Both players have fallen off dramatically since they had injuries. Anyone that watched the Bengals could tell Palmer's arm was shot. But the point is Delhomme is done.

 

[tsteele316]

Both QBs were injured in 2008 and despite the team doctors clearing them to play both went on to have terrible years with respect to what they are accustomed to doing. Palmer had his two lowest completion %s of his career and Jake Delhomme played his way out of a 42M contract he signed the previous season.

Here is my argument, Jake Delhomme was a decent player before he had the same injury as Palmer. Since then he went 8TDs to 18INTs in 09 and if you count the last half of '08 he has 8TDs to 24INTs. Both players have fallen off dramatically since they had injuries. Anyone that watched the Bengals could tell Palmer's arm was shot. But the point is Delhomme is done.

no, the point is your logic is shoddy and borderline comical.

 

[buckiprof]

Both QBs were injured in 2008 and despite the team doctors clearing them to play both went on to have terrible years with respect to what they are accustomed to doing. Palmer had his two lowest completion %s of his career and Jake Delhomme played his way out of a 42M contract he signed the previous season.

Here is my argument, Jake Delhomme was a decent player before he had the same injury as Palmer. Since then he went 8TDs to 18INTs in 09 and if you count the last half of '08 he has 8TDs to 24INTs. Both players have fallen off dramatically since they had injuries. Anyone that watched the Bengals could tell Palmer's arm was shot. But the point is Delhomme is done.

Below are career stats for Delhomme.

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT

2003 CAR 16 266 449 59.2 3219 7.2 19 67 16 8 80.6
2004 CAR 16 310 533 58.2 3886 7.3 29 63 15 9 87.3
2005 CAR 16 262 435 60.2 3421 7.9 24 80 16 10 88.1
2006 CAR 13 263 431 61.0 2805 6.5 17 72 11 6 82.6
2007 CAR 3 55 86 64.0 624 7.3 8 74 1 1 111.8
2008 CAR 16 246 414 59.4 3288 7.9 15 65 12 3 84.7


Delhomme had surgery in 2007; 2008 was his first year after the surgery.

Look at his stats in 2008 and compare to previous years. You say that Delhomme was decent before surgery and horrible after surgery. So for fun, let's look at his stats from 2003 - 2006, omitting 2007 since he had season ending surgery early in the season and compare them to 2008, the season immediately following his surgery.

From 2003 - 2006, Delhomme averaged 3332.75 yards per year, whereas in 2008 he had 3288 yards. I may not be too good with math, but the difference seems negligible to me.

From 2003 - 2006, Delhomme averaged 14.5 interceptions per year whereas in 2008 he had 12 interceptions. It seems that his interceptions imporved after surgery.

From 2003 - 2006, and this is probably the important stat, his average QB rating was 84.65 whereas in 2008 it was 84.7. Again, my math abilities may not be that great but I would say that is basically the same.

 

[Bucklion]

Yeah, but he's not Jimmy Claussen, soooo....

 

[Meyer]

His elbow is done, it is fried. If there was anyway that he wasnt done then Carolina would not have cut him the year after giving him a 42 mill contract. Once a QB has that injury it is over. Carson Palmer you see him this year? That is what Delhomme will look like as soon as the season stars, but much much worse.

Dude you don't know everything so stop acting like it.

 

[y0yoyoin]

i dont think jake delhomme is going to lead the browns to the superbowl but i would not be surprised to see him playout the entire year

 

[LitlBuck]

i dont think jake delhomme is going to lead the browns to the superbowl but i would not be surprised to see him playout the entire year

Bingo. In his Q&A with the season-ticket holders, one of the things that Holmgren mentioned was that before signing Jake he checked with a lot of NFL people (not Dr. Andrews from above) who told him that there were a number of reasons (not including his elbow) that affected his play last year.

 

[hatehineygate]

Yeah, but he's not Jimmy Claussen, soooo....

Is there like a once a page minimum you have to make that same exact joke that no one bites on?

 

[tsteele316]

the math on delhomme is already up there for you to read. your logic on carson palmer is also ridiculous as well. considering that was the entire basis for your comparison, i'd say you've failed pretty handily.

 

[hatehineygate]

Dude you don't know everything so stop acting like it.

no, the point is your logic is shoddy and borderline comical.

Show me where I was incorrect, but I dont see how someone is honestly going to tell me I am wrong after both QBs had worse years after being injured. I mean a few of you sound like you are actually saying Delhomme is good, just to argue with me.