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Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

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tsteele316;1436289; said:
they get better value holding on to him this year, then slapping the franchise tag on him. and, to add to that, if there does end up being an uncapped year in 2010, then he will only be a RFA, which means cleveland would probably get a 1st round pick for him after next year.
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Thanks for the insight tsteele. The thought did cross my mind but I wasn't sure if he would be a RFA or a UFA. I agree putting a franchise tag on him and getting more in return BUT what if he is injured? What if he is the same "Hands of Stone" Edwards we came to "dislike" this past season? While I am like alot of fans and want to win right now, does having Edwards at the wideout position gives us the best chance to win now? Or realize that we should get what we can for him now instead of rolling the dice by keeping him another year and start rebuilding for the future?

Me personally, I think we are still another three years from being a solid playoff team. It appears we have a foundation on offense (O-line) BUT the defense needs work which would take a miracle to fix. Alot of spots need to be upgraded.

The franchise is headed in the right direction by trading Winslow (Which I was advocate for), trying to trade Edwards (which I am advocate for), and I would still try to trade Rogers since he is back to being his "lovable" true self. This team needs a facelift and while I am not sold on Mangini as the guy this franchise and city needs, he is the man. Hopefully, he can get this team to where its never been.
 
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NFBuck;1435925; said:
Sounds like more idle message board speculation. Why would Denver be interested in Rogers? All the Cutler talk seems to be consistently centered around Washington, Tampa and the Jets. The Browns are rarely mentioned outside of Cleveland.
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Some projected mock drafts have Denver taking the DT from Boston College. They are in desperate need of Interior DL.


ArmyVet83;1436326; said:
Can't. We don't have a 3rd rounder.
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By the time to draft rolls around, we will have a third or is he is liked well enough we can trade up into the third round. I don't know where he is projected so he might still be there in the fourth round... whatever.
exhawg;1436337; said:
I'd take a 2nd, 5th, and Hixon for Braylon. I'd also see if the Lions would be interested in Braylon and one of our QB's for their second first round pick plus a 5th or something like that.
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Philadelphia needs help at WR so maybe the Browns are trying to get the Giants and the Eagles in a bidding war for Edwards. One can only hope.
 
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LitlBuck;1436359; said:
Philadelphia needs help at WR so maybe the Browns are trying to get the Giants and the Eagles in a bidding war for Edwards. One can only hope.
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IMHO the Browns need WR depth and quality as much as any team including the Giants and Eagles. As noted Jurevicious, KW II, and Stallworth are huge losses in the passing game.

Route running, getting separation, bringing the fear factor to opponent DB's was a strong asset for BE--other Brown's WRs not so much.
Just can't imagine if Steptoe or Cribbs would have been the number 1 threat/option last year. Yikes.

Last year the only WR who could manage separation consistently was BE, of course the drops were frustrating. The value of BE to the Browns despite last year's underfunctioning cannot be minimized.

The league as a whole knows he is a weapon and are hungry to add to their rosters any one who can light up the DB's, scoreboard, and the fanbase. Sure hate to see him traded for trifling returns. Would not part with him for anything less than a middle of the 1st round draft pick.

Option years seem to motivate player's performance like no other urgency.
Losing BE as a threat, would be huge, cannot fathom any other alternatives to compensate for the threat he brings.

Hate to be a doubter but the ultimate results if traded are not exciting for this Brown's fan--Jamaal Lewis will find fewer running holes at the LOS and BQ or DA will struggle in the progression for finding open receivers, dump offs to the TE HB or RB will be common. The OL will suffer criticism for numbers of sacks, hurries, inability to open holes against a stacked defensive line.

Causes me pain to think of enduring another year with a repeat of the kind of offensive performance of the last 6 games of '08
 
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gracelhink;1436413; said:
IMHO the Browns need WR depth and quality as much as any team including the Giants and Eagles. As noted Jurevicious, KW II, and Stallworth are huge losses in the passing game.

Causes me pain to think of enduring another year with a repeat of the kind of offensive performance of the last 6 games of '08
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I can see where you're coming from and I realize that Edwards is probably the only offensive weapon that the Browns really have.

However, I guess if we are going to rebuild we might as well start doing that. I would take a 2nd and 5th round draft picks along with another player for him. You can always bundle those two picks and move into the first round.

Everybody wants to trade down so if the Browns have enough draft choices I am sure that they can find a suitor for those picks.
Now that he knows he is on the block I just worry about how he will perform this year.

I don't think we are going anyplace this season was well we have so I would like to bring in some young fresh talent and get moving towards the rebuilding job that Mankok are doing. I would love to get Macklin or some other stud WR and get rid of Edwards before he blows up again. At least this season I will be prepared for a bad season if we do trade Edwards. It is just my opinion that we might as well get things started since we don't have any other WRs for a QB to throw to.
 
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Couple things from a different site for once. (and no, I do not pay for ESPN Insider if anyone is wondering)

From ESPN's NFL Rumor Mill

Only two are safe in Cleveland

Cleveland Browns general manager George Kokinis and coach Eric Mangini have continued to reiterate that they will consider any roster move that will improve the team, and this past weekend sources informed Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer that the only two players considered untouchable are offensive tackle Joe Thomas and linebacker D'Qwell Jackson. Thomas was the third overall pick of the 2007 NFL draft and has been selected to two straight Pro Bowls, while Jackson was the NFL's leading tackler in 2008.

If the source is accurate, this could mean that the Browns' trade of Kellen Winslow earlier this offseason was peanuts compared to what is on the horizon. Several trades making the rumor circuit have involved the Browns, with Braylon Edwards' supposed departure to the New York Giants leading the way. In addition, disgruntled nose tackle Shaun Rogers has been said to be on the trading block. The Denver Broncos and Green Bay Packers appear to lead the way for his services, considering those teams' relevant holes at nose tackle, one of the most vital positions in a 3-4 defense. And of course, there is the Browns' quarterbacking fiasco, the tagline of which is "no matter who wins, we all lose," a situation many have opined will be solved by a trade of either Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson.

ESPN's John Clayton believes the Browns have the best chance at landing Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler straight-up, and either Quinn or Anderson would be involved. In truth, if the Browns were to acquire Cutler, they wouldn't really have much of a need for either of the two, so both players could play for new teams in 2009. Alternatively, the Browns could be the linchpin to another team's acquisition of Cutler, receiving draft picks or other players while sending one of their quarterbacks to the Broncos, who would ship Cutler to the third team.
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Rick Cleveland of the Jackson Clarion-Ledger caught up with former New Orleans Saints running back Deuce McAllister this past weekend and learned that the Deuce is financially secure and that his rehab process is going well. McAllister also plans to schedule his own version of a pro day, held at either Duke's or Mississippi's campus, where he can showcase his skills to NFL team scouts in an effort to be signed before the draft in April.

Whether he will be signed is another story. McAllister is playing after two major reconstructive knee surgeries, and in 2008, he was active for all but three games yet managed just 418 yards on 107 carries. The only teams that might be desperate enough are the Seattle Seahawks and Cleveland Browns, and McAllister's hold on a roster spot would be closely tied to how well he could perform in training camp. It's likely that the Saints considered cutting McAllister before the 2008 season but wanted to let him have a victory lap in a Saints jersey before hanging it up.

Sentimentality aside, a lot is riding on McAllister's official workout, as he tells the Clarion-Ledger. "I've just got to show them I can still play," he said. If he can do that, maybe some team will take a chance.
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Not sure if Deuce would be a good signing. An aging RB isn't the biggest of needs.

EDIT: There was also a little rumor about the Giants still having interest in Braylon, but there wasn't enough to warrant more than a mention.
 
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Cleveland Browns | Browns, Patten reunite

Zac Jackson, Staff Writer 03.23.2009

David Patten is coming back to the Browns.
The veteran receiver with 12 years of NFL experience played for the Browns in 2000, which was the second of now six stops in his successful football journey. He re-signed with the Browns on Monday.
An undersized (5-foot-10, 190) former undrafted free agent out of Western Carolina, Patten went from playing in the Arena League in 1996 to winning three Super Bowl rings in his time with the Patriots earlier this decade. He has rushed for a touchdown, scored a touchdown on a kickoff return and thrown for a score in his NFL career in addition to catching 324 passes for 4,715 yards and 24 touchdowns.
Patten, 34, spent the last two seasons with the Saints, and in 2007 he totaled 54 receptions for 792 yards and three touchdowns. He started three of five games last season, catching 11 passes for 162 yards while battling through injuries.

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I understand there was no intention of making a splash in FA this year, but why so much roster filler? Maybe they're character/chemistry guys that this new regime likes to build around, but sheesh...hopefully a splash is made during the draft.
 
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I've just read the last six or seven pages of this thread, and I have to say this is the most depressing reading I have done in a long, long time.


'Meet the new boss - just the same as the old boss".

We go from a guy who only drafts kids from a school in FL or the ACC, to a guy who only takes NE rejects coupled with a GM who only takes Ravens rejects, and now we have a coach who only signs Jets rejects or over-the-hill rejects from wherever, who gets rid of the best football player on the team, and pisses off one of the 2 or 3 decent defensive players we have.

We will once again have the worst LB corps in the league, as well as a very shaky secondary.
Now we won't even fix the problems on the o-line, and to top it off, the only receiver we are likely to keep is the d*****bag who can't catch the ball.
And the QB with the 75 IQ is getting paid how many millions in bonus money? And then he will likely be sitting on the bench or get traded anyway.

I can't wait to see what kind of clusterf*** they make out of this draft. Maybe we can trade all of our draft picks to the Jets for their next 5 worst players?

I've been a Browns fan since birth, and that goes back to the end of the Jim Brown / Paul Warfield era, and I grew up watching the Leroy Kelly / Jerry Sherk teams. And I have to admit, I started rooting for the Ravens toward the end of the year last year, simply because I respect the great players they have and for how they play the game. I don't see any chance of this new regime doing anything remotely necessary to building a winner over the long term.
they should be doing everything they can to stockpile as many draft picks as possible - not signing a bunch of guys who can't make anybody else's roster. Pick up one or two KEY players each year through FA, and build the team up with young talent through the draft - that is the key for long term success.
 
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